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I don't think it is that big a deal.

In the vast majority of cases the contribution follow the rules. If there's a problem, voting "no" or sending the contributor a message usually takes care of the problem.

Then there are those "grey areas" which always seem to pop up. The bottom line is there will NEVER be a way to address these issues to everyone's satisfaction. Nor will there ever be rules written to cover every situation.

Ken addressed that stating: "One-off rulings on individual titles are a waste of time - there is always a new twist available to cast a slightly different shade of gray, and users cannot be expected to scour the forums on a title-by-title basis.  Similarly, refining and complicating the rules to satisfactorily contain each of these new variants is an exercise in futility.

Local databases can support an infinite variety of variants for title and other fields, and the local locks are available to make those changes permanent.  With this in mind, hopefully the supporters on both sides of this and other similar debates can agree that the direction of a decision here is less important that the fact of a decision.  Consistency for submission to the online is possible and what we should shoot for.  Agreement on how it "should be" is neither possible nor (thankfully) necessary."

So, like I said, it really isn't that big a deal.
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This issue has been discussed for at least 7 years. My thoughts haven't changed since then. http://www.invelos.com/MessagePost.aspx?task=replyquote&TopicID=557085&MessageID=1606154

Quoting Kathy:
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Ken and invelos allow for data to be cloned from one profile in the database to another.

Invelos has even made this feature easy by letting one copy, past and append directly on the Cast and Crew Edit page.

I frequently use this feature as it saves a lot of time and typing. It has also been my experience that in the vast majority of cases, the credits are exactly the same when I double check the cloned data with the actual credits.

In the rare case that there are a few differences, these can be fixed by the community when it gets to it. Ken even allows for a few mistakes if the majority of a profile is correct.

There are a couple of things I do when I clone a profile.

I always check the contribution notes to see where the data I am cloning was taken from and I document this information.

I also include the UPC or EAN numbers of the cloned profile so that the community can check that profile.

So, my notes would be something like "Cast and Crew copied from the same film in the invelos database UPC 000000-000000. Documentation notes this data came directly from the DVD credits."

I often update several dozen DVDs at a time adding/correcting data as needed. When I do these updates I am not going to take the time to go through all the credits unless I actually watch the movie.

Once I do get to seeing the movie, I do double check all the data for that DVD. Because, of course, the best source of data is the DVD itself.
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Quoting scotthm:
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Quoting Kathy:
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Sources for contributions "must" include a source per Ken. Here is his quote:

So, it's not in The Rules.

Ken's comment would seem to allow one to use their invoice and/or delivery confirmation as documentation.

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Actually no it would not. There is no proof that a particular movie was delivered in that box one received at that particular time.

Not every single thing can be written into the rules. And, it seems to me that Ken's statements should bear more weight than anyone else in the community.

It seems to me that your rational is not enough to prove your argument.

So, based on the rules, Ken's statements and how the database has consistently handled Release Date data, I will continue to handle this data based on the official Release Date.

If anyone tries to contribute data changes to the Release Date changes based on your rationale, I will vote "no" and link my vote to this thread.

As far as I'm concerned this is a non-issue. So,  I'm done here.
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Quoting scotthm:
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Quoting Kathy:
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What source are you going to use to prove the release date? There isn't source, allowed by invelos' rules, that would accept your early release date data.

What source(s) do The Rules say to use for release dates?
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Sources for contributions "must" include a source per Ken. Here is his quote:

Quoting Ken Cole:
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Contributions, especially those adding cast and crew, must include the source of the data in the contribution notes.  We will be taking a harder line on this requirement going forward, so please include the source when you contribute.


and the link to his quote can be found here: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=169361&PageNum=1&messageID=286931
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Quoting scotthm:
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If all you care about is some arbitrary date that's meaningless except to populate a blank data field then none of this matters anyway.

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That data might be meaningless to you but there might be others who are interested in this data.

As with any other data, invelos requires some type of documentation in order to contribute that information to the online database.

What the majority of people, in the two release data threads, are advocating for is to use of multiple sites, including the official site for the DVD/Blu-ray release date.

What source are you going to use to prove the release date? There isn't source, allowed by invelos' rules, that would accept your early release date data.

Therefore, the only acceptable release date is the one that any member of the invelos' community can access that information.
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Quoting scotthm:
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Quoting Kathy:
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The rules tell us "Use the date when the DVD was first released for sale in its specific locality."

In the example above would you agree that the disc is being sold and shipped as of 10/30/2018?

The "release date" of 11/13/2018 is no more real that that "list price" of $22.97 is.

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Please read the rest of my comments, the edited part in particular.

As far as I am concerned Ken statement expresses my thoughts on the matter.

I am not saying that your points are not valid but, based on Ken's post, I believe we should continue to use the official release date.
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Quoting scotthm:
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Quoting The Movieman:
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Actual. And the actual release date is now November 30, 2018.

And what about those actual discs that actual customers received before November 1st, when they were shipped on or before the original release date?

When were they released?

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The rules tell us "Use the date when the DVD was first released for sale in its specific locality."

It does NOT tell us to use the date the DVD was first DELIVERED to someone.

I personally don't think there should be any debate, imho this is a non issue.
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The rules tell us "Use the date when the DVD was first released for sale in its specific locality."

It does NOT tell us to use the date the DVD was first DELIVERED to someone.

I personally don't think there should be any debate, imho this is a non issue.

Edit: I don't believe that using a fluid date, based on how long the DVDs are in storage or how fast the postal service takes, benefits the database.

A date chosen by the distributor, instead of when a consumer receives the film, would produce greater consistency in the database.

And consistency, as Ken has noted, is key: "Consistency for submission to the online is possible and what we should shoot for.  Agreement on how it "should be" is neither possible nor (thankfully) necessary."
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I don't think I read your question correctly.

The Parent Profile must follow the Box Set rules.

The Child Profiles do not - they follow the individual profile rules.
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Box Sets rules: "If the Box Set has a rating, use it in the profile. If it does not, use NR as the rating."

So, you need to use what the Box Set packaging says. The content ratings, as far as Box Sets are concerned, are irrelevant.
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Wow that is weird. I know that the system doesn't recognize capitalization differences in names but I thought it did with titles.

The only way I know alerting the administrators is to send a message via "support" and send a "support ticket".

I'm afraid invelos' has not been very good with answering the tickets though so maybe another community member can help you.
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There was a lot of discussion regarding the capitalization of a film's "Title" and invelos' made a decision on how to contribute that data.

They added it to the rules found here: http://invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx?display=titles

And, the Capitalization Tool is here: http://invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx?display=titles

All you do is type the Title into the Tool and it will automatically change it to how it is to be entered.
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Quoting 69samael69:
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So, when I submit a new movie to the database, the sort title does not get submitted and I can set it to whatever I'd like it to be? Is that correct?


Yes that is correct.
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The "Sort Title" field only affects your local database so you can use that field to change the Title data to your specific needs.

Edit: You will need to change each "Sort Title" field manually. Click on the DVD you want to change and change the data in "Sort Title".

You will need to DVD Title as is - that data will be uploaded and therefore must follow invelos' guidelines/rules.

Once you get things the way you want - go to Collection > Reassign Collection Numbers > Reassign all collection numbers > Order by Title > Okay.

Your collection will then be sorted to your specifications.
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If Profiler were abandoned, why would profiles keep getting processed? Someone must be doing the work.
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Go to the title, put the disc in your computer so it reads the new disc and contribute it. Note that the only change is a new disc id.
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Quoting CubbyUps:
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I still fail to see how cast and crew can be credited to a box when the movie itself is in another case.

The box is just packaging. It's not a case.


You are discussing "box" and "packaging" - this is covered under Case Type.

By entering the data on the outside box you know that this film is packaged in a "box", typically a Custom Case. Therefore you know what these special editions contain.

Since the contents of these editions only contain one movie, we treat them as we would any other single film.

These editions are not box sets and should not be treated as such as far as the online database is concerned.
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Your examples are not Box Sets. Per rules: "The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film."
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Quoting Lowpro:
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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Hi,

quick update: I'm currently not @home. I haven't forgotten you guys but I don't know when I'll be able to fix it.

Do you take donations?  I'd like to contribute towards your continued support of the application.


Here is a link to Karsten's tools - directly under the list of his programs are 2 links - 1 for dollars and 1 for euros - that allow you to make a donation:

http://doena-journal.net/en/dvd-profiler-tools
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This is still a problem. I've tried downloading my collection and keep getting this message. I've done a databse repair, used Alternative internet method etc. I have to shut down my computer to stop the problem - hitting Reset or Cancel does nothing.
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You might want to lock your layout so your changes do not get lost.

Go to the top of the page, click on View > Lock Layout.
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I like Television as a genre.

My collection is large, and I didn't know about Tags until it was too late. I had already added 10,000+ profiles and I was not going through all those movies to add Tags.

So, when I want go through my collection, I use the built in Sort By section provided by invelos.

There are various ways one can sort through their collection, one way is to sort by genre.

The problem is the Sort By Genre is that the program will only find the data that is listed in the first field.

Some may not consider TV a genre, which may be true, but it is important to me if I want to find those DVDs in my collection.
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Quoting Knasen69:
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One way is to use TAGs.
And just filter on the tag (or tags) you want to see.
I Think this is simpler and more flexible.


The problem with TAGs is you need to use them as soon as possible. If your collection is large, it is too much work going through thousands, if not tens of thousands, of profiles to add TAGs.
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