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Ken specifically addressed the issues that can arise regarding titles here: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=667247&messageID=2082773

"One-off rulings on individual titles are a waste of time - there is always a new twist available to cast a slightly different shade of gray, and users cannot be expected to scour the forums on a title-by-title basis.  Similarly, refining and complicating the rules to satisfactorily contain each of these new variants is an exercise in futility.

Local databases can support an infinite variety of variants for title and other fields, and the local locks are available to make those changes permanent.  With this in mind, hopefully the supporters on both sides of this and other similar debates can agree that the direction of a decision here is less important that the fact of a decision.  Consistency for submission to the online is possible and what we should shoot for.  Agreement on how it "should be" is neither possible nor (thankfully) necessary.

We'll be implementing a global edit for contribution evaluator use.  This will allow us to make a decision on a particular range of titles and standardize them directly.  In this particular case, the titles will be Men in Black, Men in Black II and Men in Black III.  Details on the forthcoming implementation will be posted before we begin making any profile changes."
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Quoting dee1959jay:
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No. There are contribution rules in place and they must be followed. As the Martian pointed out, the rules tell us to use the title from the front cover, not the back cover. Period.


Although the rules tell us to use the front cover, they also detail instances in which we take this data from the back cover credit block, movie credits and invelos' Capitalization tool.

"Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title. If quotes surround the title in the credit block (generally on the back cover), check whether the possessive is within the quotes."

"For titles which include periods, dashes, or other symbols, check the credit block on the back of the case if included. If not, check the film credits or opening sequence."

"English titles will be automatically capitalized by the contribution system per the Associated Press style title standard. Capitalization Tool."
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I've also seen that the screeners make mistakes.

When the scans are better, or the data is correct, resubmit the contribution and alert the screeners that should have been approved and state why.
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Does it say "Universal Television" anywhere in the credits?

If so, then that data would be entered.

If not, then "Universal", which is listed, should be used.
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Quoting Jason Arrow:
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I have paid for a licence but find that I cannot contribute to the other forums. Thanks


It might be the payment hasn't gone through yet. Paid members have the invelos symbol next to their name and I don't see that symbol next to yours.

I would give it a few days and then if nothing changes I suggest you open a support ticket found here: http://invelos.com/Support.aspx
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Quoting SpaceFreakMicha:
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Is this still Dr. Killpatient's livecam?


Yes.
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They moved to youtube under "The Critter Room". The newest mama cat is "Gaia's Kittens" and they can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBd1Nw0vreE
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Quoting bbbbb:
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I thought about it, and I'm With Kathy and the 32 users Who voted with should not be capitalized:

The title is Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs on IMDb.


The post you are referring to is from 2014 - Ken has since clarified the matter with the Capitalization tool so the matter is settled as far as contributions are concerned.

Personally, my position hasn't changed so I keep the title field locked so that I have the "correct" capitalization locally. 
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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Quoting Kathy:
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I don't know when I registered on the old site but it's been almost 10 years on invelos for me.


Was your old name maybe "desertflower"? See link. Then it was November 30, 2004.


I have always used my first name - Katharine or Kathy.

The post sort of fits except I don't have any children.
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I don't know when I registered on the old site but it's been almost 10 years on invelos for me.
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Quoting dee1959jay:
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No one is asking you to do anything like that. Just refrain from ticking the checkbox for submitting his birth year and all will be fine.


If I'm not mistaken sometimes there isn't a checkbox to tick. I think that is because the invalid BY had already been previously entered, and accepted, into the database.
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Quoting bbbbb:
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Quoting Kathy:
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I find it interesting that the majority of voters feel the Box Sets' genre field should, like most other data, be left blank.

I find it interesting that the majority of voters feel that Box Sets should have Genres.


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Quoting bbbbb:
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Prejudice, 21:21 is a tie.


21:22 is not.
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I like this idea too. But, I dread the thought of going through my collection deleting this information from the Other Feature section - way too time consuming.
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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If you don't use it, it has no impact on your collection.  On the flip side, if you remove them, it does have an impact...a negative one...on the collection of the people who do use it.

This seems like a change, purely for the sake of change, that adds zero value to the database.



One could say this about many contributions or changes.

I find it interesting that the majority of voters feel the Box Sets' genre field should, like most other data, be left blank.
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You could use "Sort Title" section to group them. Be sure and number them using 01, 02 etc. so those groups with more than 9 titles sort properly.
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I see problems including this data. What if the genre for each film differ? If so, how do we list the genres?

Since, with Box Sets, each film has its own profile, personally I prefer the data to be kept there.

The Box Set rules do not specifically address this issue, as it does with other data, so standard rules apply.
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Flag all the titles you wish to remove - you just need to tick the box next to each one.

Once you have done that > Collection > Flagged > Remove from Collection.
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If the DVD is not released, where are you getting the Cast and Crew data from? Personally, I would not contribute that data in a prerelease contribution.

As far as complete data, the "no" voter is wrong. The rules do not require one to contribute everything for a profile.
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Quoting bbbbb:
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Quoting Kathy:
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When using Refresh Data Profiles

Oops, Refresh Data Profiles is not in my menus.


I never know if you are joking around or if you are serious. 

Of course you can download profiles - this happens when people contribute data to the online database. One can accept that new data or not.

What is happening fairly regularly is that people have been updating box sets - usually sets that were combined are now being removed from the parent and submitted separately.

The problem is that during the downloading process - the program stops downloading each profile and asks me if I want to accept each one individually.

The programing will not continue until I tick the accept or decline box. This goes on for each individual profile and takes too much time.

I would like the ability to accept all of those profiles at once.
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When using Refresh Data Profiles and the program downloads Box Set data, a window will open up if I am missing Child Profiles.

The program asks if I would like to download the missing Child data for each profile and offers me three options. I can tick "Yes", "No', or "No to All".

I would like to request that invelos' add an additional option, "Yes to All".
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Why do people find it acceptable to treat others with disrespect?

Does anyone really believe that calling someone names is the best way to treat them?

How does insulting someone get them to see your point of view?

The disrespect, name-calling and insults contained in this thread is unacceptable. Please stop.
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Quoting ateo357:
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I should just shut up and accept the wrong data.
you fu--ing idiot.


I suggest you read the forum rules - your post violates them and could result in a permanent ban:

http://www.invelos.com/ForumGuidelines.aspx
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I understand and can appreciate your stance but I don't feel the the same.

If I copy and paste a profile and the contributor of that copied profile notes the data came from the credits I believe them.

I am not going to take the time to double check every profile - to me that is not what this database is about. It is based on trust and I accept that if a contributor says they took the data from the credits that is good enough for me.

If by chance there happens to be a few mistakes in a greater profile, that is not a problem for me. Any mistakes can be fixed and contributed later.

I seldom contribute Cast and Crew, it is too much trouble to deal with all the birth years and common names, unless those fields are empty.

In those cases I have no problem with copying another profile, without double checking that data, provided that profile notes the data was taken following invelos' rules.
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Quoting GSyren:
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I would also like to add that my impression of Ken's statement is that he meant that it isn't necessary to reject a contribution because of a minor mistake. I don't think it implies that you shouldn't make every effort to ensure that your data is 100% correct.


I understand the desire to want the database to be perfect but I've come to realize that perfection is impossible and always will be.

I won't spend lots of time trying to achieve something that can not be. I prefer contributing dozens of contributions correcting many mistakes rather than submitting one that is 100% correct.

There are many reasons I feel that way and I'm not even talking about those frustrating Birth Year and Common Name issues.

Over the years invelos' has updated the program which results in current data needing to be changed. Some that comes to mind arethe addition of Bold and Italics or the implementation of the Title capitalization tool.

The Bold/Italic change was long ago and I am still finding and correcting titles that need fixing.
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