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Jada Pinkett Smith
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The best way is Jada//Pinkett and then use 'as credited' in cases were she uses her married name.

Then ALL of her movies will show up under one name as the new versions are set to do.

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That's a very good idea, and would solve a lot of problems when actresses get married. If we use their birth name (or 1st stage name if they change it) as the common name in the db, then any subsequent name changes can be handled as "credited as"
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Using the first stage name, or birth name as the "main" name sounds good, but how is a person to know that Jada Pinkett, credited as JPS is the correct name to add to a cast list for a movie, when her on screen credit is Jada Pinkett Smith?
Do we just let JPS be added, then someone who knows fix it? Maybe Ken is working on a way to find the main name automatically when adding credits, that would be a nice feature.
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WE have to come up with some standards for this, including documenation methods, orelse people will pingpong this data all over the place, with northbloke saying the common name is Jadda Pinkett, and someon no it 's JPS or JS or whatever. Somehwere we had a thread talking about trying to sort this out.

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Using the first stage name, or birth name as the "main" name sounds good, but how is a person to know that Jada Pinkett, credited as JPS is the correct name to add to a cast list for a movie, when her on screen credit is Jada Pinkett Smith?
Do we just let JPS be added, then someone who knows fix it? Maybe Ken is working on a way to find the main name automatically when adding credits, that would be a nice feature.


I think even now errors like that are getting through. After all, no one out there knows the personal details of every single actress. I'm sure innocent mistakes like that will be easy enough to fix once they're in the db.

What makes things more complicated is that the US and UK handle names differently. It seems that the posters were right who said that Pinkett became a middle name, that does seem to be a US convention. However over here in the UK, the name becomes double barrelled. So we'll have to be careful to take nationality into account.
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I am well aware of UK convention, however becareful about trying to apply it across the board, because there will be somebody that chooses NOT to follow it and therefore data would be bad, this why I keep saying DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT DOCUMENT and if you can't don't change it. Itry very hard to avoid blanket statements as if they were fact, I have learned that as soon as I do that, the next movie I audit will prove the blanket statement wrong.

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What makes things more complicated is that the US and UK handle names differently. It seems that the posters were right who said that Pinkett became a middle name, that does seem to be a US convention. However over here in the UK, the name becomes double barrelled. So we'll have to be careful to take nationality into account.


Regardless of what Rifter would have you believe, it is not a US convention for a woman to automatically change her middle name to her maiden name.  It was common where he grew up but not common where I grew up.  It is a convention that is highly dependent on where and how you were raised.

Add to that the fact that this is a Hollywood marriage and it becomes less likely.  She did work under the name 'Jada Pinkett'.  A lot of actresses use the double-barreled last name so there is still a link to their earlier work.

But I agree, the best solution would be the one Gerri suggested for 'Courtney Cox'.  Use 'Jada Pinkett' for the common name.
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Regardless of what Rifter would have you believe, it is not a US convention for a woman to automatically change her middle name to her maiden name.


Sorry, I never meant to infer that it was automatic. It was just on searching the internet, it seemed that in the US, if the woman kept her surname, she was more likely to class it as a middle name, whereas in the UK she is more likely to class it as an addition to her surname.
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So what?  That is a relatively recent convention.  It wasn't done that way as a rule when I was a kid in the 50's, or in my parents youth during the Depression, or in my grandparents youth during the Roaring 20's.  98% of the wedding announcements in our local paper follow that same convention.  It is extremely unusual for a woman to adopt a hyphenated/compound last name unless it for business reasons, and even then most just retain their maiden name for that purpose.


So you're suggesting that we should ignore all of the folks who didn't get married when you were "a kid in the 50's, or in my parents youth during the Depression, or in my grandparents youth during the Roaring 20's."

I agree that it is unusual for a woman to adopt a hypenated last name, at least in the U.S.  Most just drop their maiden name altogether.

We can't just ignore those who take on double-barrelled names.

And once again, in your limited vision, you are only interested in your own personal experience.  Names are formed in a variety of ways all over the world.  All need to be addressed.
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A name in between two other names is a middle name!

/Mikkel


That may be a simple definition, but it's also wrong.
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She followed normal American conventions for changing one's name upon marriage, by replacing her birth middle name with her birth last name and adopting her husband's last name as hers.

Where is your data backing up this claim? I don't see any.

As I've stated before, on this forum and at IVS, of the many women I know personally who have done what Jada has, they STILL have a middle name. No matter what you say.

Heck, my MOM uses her maiden name before her married name, and SHE didn't "give up" her middle name. And SHE was married over 50 years ago.

Whewreas you don't have any hard data to back up your claim.  Again.


Oh, really?  And what proof have YOU provided?  Nothing but anecdotal, that because YOU don't know anybody who did it, then it can't possibly be that way.  Well, I worked in a court house for several years.  I saw the records on a daily basis when people came in to record marriages.  I have a family bible that lists ten generations and it is clearly evident that what I said was normal practice.

Then there is the post somebody made giving Jada's birth names, and it is clearly evident that she followed the same tradition I spoke of.

You believe whatever you want to, but I defy you to find ANY proof other than some anecdotal evidence in a movie magazine or whatever that she has a compound last name.
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Regardless of what Rifter would have you believe, it is not a US convention for a woman to automatically change her middle name to her maiden name.  It was common where he grew up but not common where I grew up.  It is a convention that is highly dependent on where and how you were raised.


Agreed 100%.  It's very VERY rare for a woman to change her middle name.  I researched Jada Pinkett Smith a while ago and it is definitely Jada//Pinkett Smith.  No question.  Just because Rifer knows a couple people that did it does NOT make it common.  Perhaps it's a tradition where he grew up, but it's extremely rare.
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So what?  That is a relatively recent convention.  It wasn't done that way as a rule when I was a kid in the 50's, or in my parents youth during the Depression, or in my grandparents youth during the Roaring 20's.  98% of the wedding announcements in our local paper follow that same convention.  It is extremely unusual for a woman to adopt a hyphenated/compound last name unless it for business reasons, and even then most just retain their maiden name for that purpose.


So you're suggesting that we should ignore all of the folks who didn't get married when you were "a kid in the 50's, or in my parents youth during the Depression, or in my grandparents youth during the Roaring 20's."

I agree that it is unusual for a woman to adopt a hypenated last name, at least in the U.S.  Most just drop their maiden name altogether.

We can't just ignore those who take on double-barrelled names.

And once again, in your limited vision, you are only interested in your own personal experience.  Names are formed in a variety of ways all over the world.  All need to be addressed.


And once again, you cannot provide convincing proof that her name is compound.  Absent that, one errs on the side of common usage and tradition, which is what I was talking about.
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And once again, you cannot provide convincing proof that her name is compound.  Absent that, one errs on the side of common usage and tradition, which is what I was talking about.


I provided proof when I researched it a while ago.  I'm not doing it again.  True, one DOES err on the side of commonality, but that is to compound the last name.  Just because you say it doessn't make it true.  It's extremely rare for a woman to change her middle name.
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Regardless of what Rifter would have you believe, it is not a US convention for a woman to automatically change her middle name to her maiden name.  It was common where he grew up but not common where I grew up.  It is a convention that is highly dependent on where and how you were raised.


Agreed 100%.  It's very VERY rare for a woman to change her middle name.  I researched Jada Pinkett Smith a while ago and it is definitely Jada//Pinkett Smith.  No question.  Just because Rifer knows a couple people that did it does NOT make it common.  Perhaps it's a tradition where he grew up, but it's extremely rare.


Oh, get over yourself.  It is NOT very rare.  It is a very old, and very common tradition in western culture.  I don't know just a couple people, I know hundreds personally, and have seen the records for thousands in the archives of the court house.  As I said before, this whole double name thing is a very recent phenomenon in the US, and while it might be prevalent in the more liberal parts of the country - especially in the big cities - it is by no means traditional.
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Rifter, just out of curiosity what part of the US do you live in? I live in Illinois, i have never met anybody that has changed/dropped their middle name when getting married in fact until today i have never heard of it being done. It's possible it is more of a regional tradition than a national tradition.
Every woman i have ever known has either taken her husbands last name as her own or kept her last name and added her husbands name with a hyphen, but has never changed her middle name.

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Absent that, one errs on the side of common usage and tradition, which is what I was talking about.


Common in your limited experience does not equal common to the rest of the world.
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