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Method of Determining Country Of Origin
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantt001z
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I vote 'other', because we Brits have official measures of 'Britishness' that jolly well ought to be taken into consideration dear chaps/old boys.


dvdoug, I certainly appreciate all the homework you have done, but seriously, how many of the movies in your collection does this test pertain to? 

On a completely unrelated note, I voted for the first PRODUCTION company as the field is located in the "PRODUCED" area of the DVDProfiler screen/field.  It does not ask when the film was FILMED.  Often these 2 are not directly related, just as the filming company and the production companies are not the same.
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I vote 'other', because we Brits have official measures of 'Britishness' that jolly well ought to be taken into consideration dear chaps/old boys.


dvdoug, I certainly appreciate all the homework you have done, but seriously, how many of the movies in your collection does this test pertain to?


All of them of course If you don't take the test, you don't know the result
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registranttarantino
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Films made after 1985 are officially British Films if 70% or more of the total production costs were spent in the UK [...]


I don't think it's relevant to the current issue.
Many countries, including Canada have such law and evaluation system, mostly to determine the film eligibility to tax credits and government financing.

So under thier evaluation grid, a movie like The Brothers Grimm will not be considered "British" because it was mostly filmed in Czech Republic.  And considering the "Main production company" suggested here, it will be american.

So, my vote goes to the first studio credited as production, mostly for its simplyness. 
And it should be accurate with most CoO definition for maybe 90-95% of the movies.
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If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck.

However, if the duck is paid by the chicken to swim (because chickens can't swim), then the duck is actually a chicken. Just how stupid is that? 

My best crap analogy yet! 
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantlmoelleb
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I vote 'other', because we Brits have official measures of 'Britishness' that jolly well ought to be taken into consideration dear chaps/old boys.


The problem is that we then have to take the official meassures of all countries into account, and they are not compatible.
For example, take a movie that is:
1) Directed by a Danish director
2) The main production company is Danish
3) It is based on the work of a Danish writer.
4) The movie is shot in the UK and 80% of the production cost are spend in the UK.

According to 1-3 this is in Denmark officially considered a Danish movie, and according to 4) it is officially a British movie in the UK. So we got nowhere.
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Without a firm definition from Invelos as to WHAT this field is supposed to mean, none of these arguments make any sense.  I still haven't seen anything other than the one post from Gerri about (I believe) Lord of the Rings.  And that message left a lot of people wondering.

Any one of these answers could be right... If we knew what the question was....


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The problem is that we then have to take the official meassures of all countries into account, and they are not compatible.
For example, take a movie that is:
1) Directed by a Danish director
2) The main production company is Danish
3) It is based on the work of a Danish writer.
4) The movie is shot in the UK and 80% of the production cost are spend in the UK.

According to 1-3 this is in Denmark officially considered a Danish movie, and according to 4) it is officially a British movie in the UK. So we got nowhere.


Where's the problem? It's a Danish film. It's a similar situation to Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. US production of an English story, set in England, using a large UK cast and crew. Great film, but definitely American.
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The problem is that we then have to take the official meassures of all countries into account, and they are not compatible.
For example, take a movie that is:
1) Directed by a Danish director
2) The main production company is Danish
3) It is based on the work of a Danish writer.
4) The movie is shot in the UK and 80% of the production cost are spend in the UK.

According to 1-3 this is in Denmark officially considered a Danish movie, and according to 4) it is officially a British movie in the UK. So we got nowhere.


Where's the problem? It's a Danish film.

According to the Danish definition yes.... and according to the English definitions, it might be English.
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It's a similar situation to Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. US production of an English story, set in England, using a large UK cast and crew. Great film, but definitely American.

I am not trying to find examples of movies that are definitely X or Y. I am trying to point out that there are situations where the national systems of two independent countries might classify the same move as a "domestic" production. Listing 100000 movies where this is not the case does not negate this.

Who knows, we might also run into movies no country would acknowledge
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According to the Danish definition yes.... and according to the English definitions, it might be English.


Ah, but that's what I've been saying all along. Your definition for identifying is the one that should always be followed. I think in most cases the writer will take priority over the director (e.g. Alfonso Cuaron for Harry Potter; it's still a British film). The point is, it takes a little bit of knowledge about the content to decide CoO. We can surely assume the person who bought the DVD and is going to the trouble of profiling it will have that knowledge.

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Who knows, we might also run into movies no country would acknowledge


Jon
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According to the Danish definition yes.... and according to the English definitions, it might be English.


Ah, but that's what I've been saying all along. Your definition for identifying is the one that should always be followed.
....

I do not have any definition, so there is nothing to follow. I was trying to point out that accepting local definitions for the individual countries can't always be used to determine the CoO.
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At the time of my post I see this (eliminating the items with "significantly" lower votes):
  • Use the country of record of the Primary Filming Company (23)

  • Use the country of record of the First Studio credited as Production (16)

  • Have a 10 to 50 page thread about each title. (14)

  • First I wonder who those people are, who like those endless discussions

    Then I wondered, if someone could explain me the difference between the other two most voted options Would the difference mean, that, e.g., the first option would make the CoO for Lord of the Rings New Zealand and the second US?

    A total of 69 votes was counted so far. If my example would be correct, I doubt the vote can be called entirely conclusive...
    Achim [Ya-Shin//Nuo]
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLopek
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    Got to agree with Achim, the difference between those two options was not really clear to me either - I would happily have voted for either, and basically plumped for the one that had the clearest wording imo - Primary Filming Company.
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    Could we at least agree that when making COO updates, we should be stating our source for the change?

    It seems in certain users' haste to populate this field as quickly as possible, they neglect to indicate where their info is coming from...a requirement for all other changes.

    Just a thought (after going through a 100 or so COO updates)

    ...and one thing more. If you're going to do the COO, could you at least check to see if anything else needs fixing? I'm not talking about cast and crew data, but at least check for some obvious things like "2 disc set" in Other Features.

    Just a pet peeve of mine...
    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
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    I've been looking at the credits for a few films, to try and work out the best way of working it out. I posted this in the "features request" forum, as I've asked for multiple countries:

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    Generally, it's the companies listed when you get the "A {company} Production" or "{company} in association with {company}" at the start of a film. But some people also believe it should be expanded to include the "{company} Presents" credit too, although most of the time this seems to be the distributor.

    I've picked 4 discs to see how this works out:

    LoTR: Fellowship -
    front: "New Line Cinema presents a WingNut Films Production"
    end: "(c) New Line"
    - if we take into account both companies mentioned, would make in NZ/US

    Eating Raoul -
    front: "20th Century Fox International Classics In association with Quartet\Films Incorporated"
    end: "(c) Bartel Films"
    - if we include all companies mentioned (20th Century Int. Classics could be discounted as they are purely a distribution company, but it makes no difference here.) would make it US

    Dead Zone -
    front: "Dino De Laurentiis presents"
    end: "(c) Dino De Laurentiis"
    - makes this one US, as Dino the company is based in the US.

    Fifth Element -
    front: "Gaumont presents"
    end: "(c) Gaumont"
    - makes this one FR (I was expecting some US help in there, but no evidence)

    So it looks like most of the info can be got from the opening credits, with checking the (c) at the end as a back up only in case anyone is missed seems to be the best way to get the info.


    If anyone has any examples of wording I haven't come across, I'd be happy to hear it.
    akb
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    Isn't the real problem the method ken chose to use for this field, it really needs some more sub-fields added or changed to a free text field.

    I have at least one film that can't use this field at the moment, and that's Tito and Me, which is farther complicated by the fact the CoO doesn't exist anymore.
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