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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantPeter von Frosta
Registered: March 14, 2007
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We will integrate, but all existing Invelos profiles will remain, there will be no overwriting with the IVS versions.  Also, only UPCs/disc ids that are able to convert automatically will be merged.  Look for the merge to happen late this week.

Please, please don't do that! We got rid of all the bootlegs (well most of them anyway) in 3.0, you'll be putting them all back in the DB...
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDarxon
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Registered: March 14, 2007
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Yup, I second that. Although it will take longer to continue to build the db, the benefit of getting rid of the numerous entries in the IVS db (wrong localities, bootlegs, fake UPC etc. etc.) could well be worth the wait (it won't be too long, with all the effort put forth by the user base, shown already in the first four weeks of DVDP 3.0).
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Registered: March 21, 2007
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I agree on both the above post, the current 3.0 DB is a much cleaner and leaner version the the old 2.4/2.5 version, just about all the wrong locaties etc have been removed, bootlegs etc too. I would prefer to keep it going as is and slowly build up the current 3.0 version

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I also second the idea that the databases are NOT combined.
The old one has quite high precentage of pure waste.
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I support the merge since a lot of the not-so-hot, non-blockbuster profiles are missing from 3.0 and exist in 2.4. Especially many non R1 profiles are missing.

Instead, may I suggest a feature to make it easier to report invalid profiles? Because, let's face it, they WILL show up in 3.0.

/Mikkel
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Yes, 2.4/2.5 will have a limited life span.  I'll post more information after the data merge.



Yo, Ken, take a break!  Veronica Mars is on.

In this time and age, who cares about airing dates? It's a digital datastream, just use lindvr and watch it when you want to.


Also... and this is just food for thought....

I have seen so many people say that they don't watch TV Shows as they air any longer... that they wait for the DVDs... and I am seeing it more often all the time. What happens if the majority of people start to see it this way. Shows will start to get canceled way before their time... not because they are bad shows... only because everyone wants to wait for the DVDs.

All the studios see is the show isn't being watched any longer... they don't see a reason for it. Then we loose our favorite shows and don't have the DVDs to look forward to.
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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I agree on both the above post, the current 3.0 DB is a much cleaner and leaner version the the old 2.4/2.5 version, just about all the wrong localities etc have been removed, bootlegs etc too. I would prefer to keep it going as is and slowly build up the current 3.0 version


I agree it would be better not to merge in the method being suggested, as it would re-introduce all the bootlegs and rubbish... how many titles are there from the various European countries that are in the database as UK because of the last time there was a big auto-conversion? Far too many!

What I believe would be better (if technically possible) is if any user tries to add by title they just get access to the 3.0 database BUT if they try to add by EAN/UPC then if data for a title not presently in the 3.0 database it THEN takes the data from a (coverted to the correct format) 2.x database and adds it to the 3.0 one.

This way the advantages are:
1) To the user (adding by UPC) it is nearly the same; they just get data from two different sources but don't know this
2) The 3.0 database is kept (practically) free of bootlegs because it only gets added to when a user actually inputs a UPC/EAN they have sourced from a disc infront of them or a (usually reliable) online source.

After a year or so the old 2.x database can be slowly backed off as pretty much all the legal titles will have been moved over.
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I think Ken is smart enough to use the UPCs/EANs to filter out incorrect localities or bootlegs.

So I do not think we should sweat it...
Martin Zuidervliet

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorTigiHof
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We will integrate, but all existing Invelos profiles will remain, there will be no overwriting with the IVS versions.  Also, only UPCs/disc ids that are able to convert automatically will be merged.  Look for the merge to happen late this week.

Please, please don't do that! We got rid of all the bootlegs (well most of them anyway) in 3.0, you'll be putting them all back in the DB...

I totally agree. A database merge is simply unnecessary and brings back thousands of incorrect profiles.
Michael
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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We will integrate, but all existing Invelos profiles will remain, there will be no overwriting with the IVS versions.  Also, only UPCs/disc ids that are able to convert automatically will be merged.  Look for the merge to happen late this week.


I agree with all that say IVS's database contains too much junk.
Then again, a lot of perfectly sound entries are not yet present at Invelos's.

Ken, if you stick to merging the databases, may I politely suggest to add a few, presumably easy to implement additional criteria:

Please do not add:
* profiles without any cover images
* profiles that contain errors (with the yellow cross when you want to preview it -- you know the code behind that criterium)
* profiles without any cast or crew and no disk ID and/or no soundtracks etc.

Just my 2 cents.
Eric

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantPeter von Frosta
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Yes, 2.4/2.5 will have a limited life span.  I'll post more information after the data merge.



Yo, Ken, take a break!  Veronica Mars is on.

In this time and age, who cares about airing dates? It's a digital datastream, just use lindvr and watch it when you want to.


Also... and this is just food for thought....

I have seen so many people say that they don't watch TV Shows as they air any longer... that they wait for the DVDs... and I am seeing it more often all the time. What happens if the majority of people start to see it this way. Shows will start to get canceled way before their time... not because they are bad shows... only because everyone wants to wait for the DVDs.

All the studios see is the show isn't being watched any longer... they don't see a reason for it. Then we loose our favorite shows and don't have the DVDs to look forward to.

Not every view is counted, and those guys with those count-devices WILL go on watching
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Also... and this is just food for thought....

I have seen so many people say that they don't watch TV Shows as they air any longer... that they wait for the DVDs... and I am seeing it more often all the time. What happens if the majority of people start to see it this way. Shows will start to get canceled way before their time... not because they are bad shows... only because everyone wants to wait for the DVDs.

All the studios see is the show isn't being watched any longer... they don't see a reason for it. Then we loose our favorite shows and don't have the DVDs to look forward to.


Actually, I download my favorite shows from iTunes on my iPod.  I don't have cable...utterly refuse to deal with the one company that provides cable service to my town and I can't get satelite service at my apartment as big trees block the signal.  Lost is on ABC so I have to download it and when I miss an episode of 24 I'll download it and watch it the next day.  Eureka, a SciFi original series, is also one of my favs...coming back for a second season this Summer! .  In reality, I don't watch very much television at all.  I only watch a few shows:  Lost, 24, House M.D. and Eureka, ohhh and C.S.I. but I actually do wait for the DVD release of C.S.I..  Most of my television viewing is spent watching DVDs
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Yes, 2.4/2.5 will have a limited life span.  I'll post more information after the data merge.



Yo, Ken, take a break!  Veronica Mars is on.

In this time and age, who cares about airing dates? It's a digital datastream, just use lindvr and watch it when you want to.


Also... and this is just food for thought....

I have seen so many people say that they don't watch TV Shows as they air any longer... that they wait for the DVDs... and I am seeing it more often all the time. What happens if the majority of people start to see it this way. Shows will start to get canceled way before their time... not because they are bad shows... only because everyone wants to wait for the DVDs.

All the studios see is the show isn't being watched any longer... they don't see a reason for it. Then we loose our favorite shows and don't have the DVDs to look forward to.

Not every view is counted, and those guys with those count-devices WILL go on watching


But see... that you just don't know.
Pete
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Registered: April 10, 2007
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So, Ken... I'm assuming I can get rid of 2.5 without worrying whether or not I'll 'need' it again in the future??


Why ask this?  Clearly 2.4/2.5 has a limited lifespan.


This was supposed to be something of a joke... I guess maybe you didn't get it... or worse: it just wasn't funny.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRifter
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I don't have any problems per se with combining the databases, as long as some error trapping is set up to get rid of bogus profiles in the process.  Maybe do it in two or three passes designed to catch the crap first, BEFORE doing the merge.  Otherwise, we'll lose a lot of legit partial profiles in the process.
John

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Otherwise, we'll lose a lot of legit partial profiles in the process.


Ken has already said that he won't overwrite any profiles with ones from IVS.
Paul
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