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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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The Rule was left a little vague for a reason, Nick. But it gives guidance.

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I think the problem your going to have is the contributor for a particular season may not own all seasons from a particular series.

I own the first seven seasons of "Friends" so I was only able to contribute to those seasons.  The same sisuation with "Twin Peaks" only own the first season.  But, I don't think any member here would really have issue if someone made a corrected contribution to a profile if a contribution for any season of a series.  Where the majority of the season had a role name like "William Shatner as James T. Kirk" and another contribution had it just as "William Shatner as Kirk" as long as there isn't a role name in the credits.
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Quoting Lithurge:
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Its already in the Rules



That doesn't address the consensus point. If you use source a for the role and somebody else uses source b, which is 'correct' to use across all series?


As long as it isn't IMDB, does it matter?  This is much like genre.  If somebody enters it before you do, and it isn't wrong, leave it alone, even if you don't particularly like that version of the role name.
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Quoting Rifter:
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Its already in the Rules



That doesn't address the consensus point. If you use source a for the role and somebody else uses source b, which is 'correct' to use across all series?


As long as it isn't IMDB, does it matter?  This is much like genre.  If somebody enters it before you do, and it isn't wrong, leave it alone, even if you don't particularly like that version of the role name.


Nowhere in the Rules does it forbid using IMDb as a source for role names.
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Not true, hal.  While you may be partially correct, the Rules also CLEARLY state where to derive your data for Crew, Cast and Roles, so don't even go there

"take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited. "

It is spelled out VERY clearly Hal

Then there is this part Hal, which does not override the above quote

"The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself.  Please don't make a correction to an existing profile based on the content of a third party database or the specifications printed on the cover. "

It would be hard without actually identifying a website to be any clearer what is expected.

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Not true, hal.  While you may be partially correct, the Rules also CLEARLY state where to derive your data for Crew, Cast and Roles, so don't even go there

"take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited. "

It is spelled out VERY clearly Hal


We are talking about cast credits that don't have associated roles...which is common for TV Series.  You can't take that information from the credits since it doesn't exist.  It must come from a source other than the credits.  Heck, the rules even say you can get it from another source:

If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role.

Am I missing something here?  Is that portion of the rule only visible on my computer? 
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Thanks, Unicus.  You are absolutely correct.  My post was in response to the one asking about what to do when there is no role listed in the opening credits of a TV Series.  To which John responded that as long as we didn't use IMDb, everything is cool.

It is John's statement that I challenged. If the role is not listed in the actual film credits, you can use any other source to determine that information. There is no prohibition against IMDb for role  names where none exist in the actual film credits.
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Quoting skipnet50 [actual text from the Rules]:
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The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself.  Please don't make a correction to an existing profile based on the content of a third party database or the specifications printed on the cover.

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If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role.

Hal's right. There is no prohibition against IMDb for role names in the case where none exist in the film itself.
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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Please do not discuss or promote data scraping from IMDB or other sources on the Invelos forums.


We just need to remember there is a difference between using another source to determine the role and just copying "scraping" the role from another source.
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"Scraping" is bad.......bad! 
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Imdb is an Internet reference tool just as is Wikipidia, online dictionaries, etc.  There is no prohibition in using this source as a reference.  What is prohibited is the wholesale scraping of cast & crew lists.
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Thanks, Unicus.  You are absolutely correct.  My post was in response to the one asking about what to do when there is no role listed in the opening credits of a TV Series.  To which John responded that as long as we didn't use IMDb, everything is cool.

It is John's statement that I challenged. If the role is not listed in the actual film credits, you can use any other source to determine that information. There is no prohibition against IMDb for role  names where none exist in the actual film credits.


And tha Hal, exactly why that rule was left vague, as you know. I do NOT use IMDb as a source for very little and certainly not for this use.

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Unless I missed it why couldn't you just watch the movie or tv show with the subttiles and take the characters name right from the movie, I find that to be the most accurate and the film maker is the one who gave the info!
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Tom:

I think he considers it too much work.

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Quoting Tomricci:
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Unless I missed it why couldn't you just watch the movie or tv show with the subttiles and take the characters name right from the movie, I find that to be the most accurate and the film maker is the one who gave the info!


First of all, subtitles are not added by the "filmmaker, but by the distributor.

Secondly, it is possible that the character may be referred to several different ways throughout the movie, so which do you use; or may not be "named" until the end of the movie.

Are you seriously suggesting that people should should watch every movie from beginning to end in order to do the cast list? 

No matter what anyone says, I do not believe anyone is doing this!
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Quoting hal9g:
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Thanks, Unicus.  You are absolutely correct.  My post was in response to the one asking about what to do when there is no role listed in the opening credits of a TV Series.  To which John responded that as long as we didn't use IMDb, everything is cool.

It is John's statement that I challenged. If the role is not listed in the actual film credits, you can use any other source to determine that information. There is no prohibition against IMDb for role  names where none exist in the actual film credits.


What part of "don't use IMDB" don't you get?  Or is it a case of selective use?  This is OK, this isn't?  You can't have it both ways.  Either we can't use IMDB, or we can.

As far as a source goes, "Turner Classic Movies Database" is a much better source anyway.
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