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A tale of two actors named Simon Baker
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There are two actors using the name "Simon Baker" in our database. One born in 1969 is in the film "The Devil Wears Prada" billed as "Simon Baker". The other born in 1986 is also billed as "Simon Baker" in the film "Shanghai Noon".

We currently have an update to the cast of "The Devil Wears Prada" adding a birth year to that "Simon Baker" being voted down. Without using a "common name" and a "credited as" there is no other way in our current system to tell these two actors apart.

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As noted Paul, the two Simon Bakers are not alike, one is Simon Baker, the other is Simon R. Baker. We do not need the BY for this, simply set up two common names. Simon Baker and Simon R. Baker and let the Credited As sort itself out, there is no conflict and no need to use BY.

The Rules state:
"Enter birth years only when necessary to differentate between two actors with the same name. When submitting a contribution that adds a birth year to one or more credits, list justification in the contribution notes."

Simon Baker and Simon R. Baker are NOT the same name, they share the same billing, but the names are NOT the same.

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Quoting pdf256:
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There are two actors using the name "Simon Baker" in our database. One born in 1969 is in the film "The Devil Wears Prada" billed as "Simon Baker". The other born in 1986 is also billed as "Simon Baker" in the film "Shanghai Noon".

We currently have an update to the cast of "The Devil Wears Prada" adding a birth year to that "Simon Baker" being voted down. Without using a "common name" and a "credited as" there is no other way in our current system to tell these two actors apart.

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IMO this is exactly what the birth year option is there for. I would certainly vote yes to adding it to these actors. I would suggest citing your source for obtaining the year, but you already know that 
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Rick:

Do you have a problem with the actual words of the Rule. The user to wich Paul referes, not only documented the BY but also documented that the names were NOT the same. One is Simon Baker, the other is Simon R. Baker, they can both be Credited AS Simon Baker. Is that not one of the reasons why the Common Name was created.

Please note Rick, the Rules do NOT say the same billing, they say the same name.
Or have you decided that you have a capability of determining intent, that I have been repeatedly told not to do? Yes Rick, I am being sarcastic, because the words of the rules are clear and you are going beyond the words.

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I have to agree with Skip.  The 'common' name should cover this.  'Simon Baker' and 'Simon R. Baker' are not the same name.
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Quoting Unicus69:
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I have to agree with Skip.  The 'common' name should cover this.  'Simon Baker' and 'Simon R. Baker' are not the same name.

Assuming that these are indeed their names, I would agree as well.
I just wonder how Skip found "proof" for it.
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Goodguy:

If you had bothered to read my first post, I stated that the initial user who was providing documentation on BY also provided documentation on Simon R. Baker.

Thus BY becomes redundant and totally unnecessary.

And I get accused of not reading

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Based just on what has been presented so far on this thread, I also agree with Skip on this one.

But if I were voting on this, I would like substantial evidence, similar to that which had to be provided for Zsa Zsa Gabor
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Simon R. Baker (1986) Shanghai Noon has an official website, his given name is Simon Richard Baker.

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If Ken implements his lookup system, the "real" name of either Simon will be irrelevent. It will be the most frequently credited name that will determine the common name. If that name is Simon Baker for each, then the birth year will be needed.

Until then, have fun arguing what their real names are. 
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Quoting skipnet50:
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Simon R. Baker (1986) Shanghai Noon has an official website, his given name is Simon Richard Baker.
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In Shanghai  Noon "Simon Baker" is credited. You just call it here Simon R. Baker...

Without rules about when to add a middle name or a shortcut of a middle name we will never end this discussion.

The only rule that is currently out there is that you should use the "birthyear" for this. There is no rule about:
- You should use the most common name out there
- You should use a middle name if the name is not unique
- you should use the initials of the middle name if the name is not unique

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Skip, are you putting the cart before the horse?

Both are credited as Simon Baker.

You have been telling us not to use the common name feature. Now, you're all for it? I am so confused, I lost some brain cells in this thread. I want a refund.
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No, I haven't changed my position and unless I am dealing with an A-list actor I am not likely to use Common Name, and probably NOT even then, until; we have some form of criteria that can be applied for all. that said in the users Original notes he included documentation relative to Simon R. Baker, not me I didn't look it up at all and I merely noted that Simon R. Baker is NOT the same as Simon Baker, therefore the BY is not necessary. Had he not provided that information I wouldn't have said a word, he shot himself in the foot. 

I would also encourage all users to wait and see what develops in both of these areas since they are both in flux at the moment.

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Hang on a minute Skip, you vote no to a contribution because it uses BY instead of "credited as", and now you're encouraging people to use neither
Erik's right, defnitely some mixed signals coming out there!
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Hang on a minute Skip, you vote no to a contribution because it uses BY instead of "credited as", and now you're encouraging people to use neither
Erik's right, defnitely some mixed signals coming out there!


To be precise, the contribution used BOTH.  The profile change, at least the one I saw, was for 'I, Robot'.  The on screen credit was 'Simon R. Baker'.  The contribution changed the common name to 'Simon Baker', with BY, and used 'Simon R. Baker' as the credited as name.

Seems to me, since there are two 'Simon Baker's', it would have been better to leave the credit as is.
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For this one both were changed, true.

For Shanghai Noon only the BY had to be added, as he is credited there correctly as "Simon Baker" (UPC 717951-010605) unlike "I, Robot" were he is credited as "Simon R Baker".

I am still looking forward to see if none, parts or all 5 contributions with Simon Baker will be accepted or declined. Overall votes are currently 19:20 (yes:no)

I am also wondering what should happen if some gets approved and some declined... Somebody could then follow the rule "If the birth year change is due to an accepted change to another profile, indicate that." 

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