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Birth Year Causing Problems
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Not a bad idea, hal.

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The big problem here is that people are ONLY doing half the job, they aren't thinking. For example Harrison Ford (1942) to separate him from another Harrison Ford. They oinly do the ONE Harrison Ford, so now ALL Harrison Ford's will be 1942, have we accomplished the goal of separating actors...of course not. We are creating a MESS.


Never saw it like that. In general you're right, although in this particular case, if and when you add an actor already in the database that already has the BY, i'm possibly messing other profiles by changing an actor and removing its BY...


Pmasi:

It's can be quite complex, but let us assume  in this case that one Harrison Ford does not have a locatable birthday. If you have one entry with 1942, and one entry with Nothing, you still have separation of the TWO men.

I do sit and contemplate this stuff quite extensively, along with the lint in my navel.         That is why i am veru confident in my arguments, they are always well thought out and generally worked through.

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I do not see teh problem all that big.

If I add a BY locally, I have to make sure that all occurences of that name are for the dsame person. If I don't have profiles for "that other person", then obviously I cannot add a BY there.

Uploading is not a problem, as this is done on a per-profile basis and gets voted upon. If I set a wrong BY or accidentally upload Harrison Ford (1942) for a profile with that "old dude", it should get voted down.

Only thing we now realize is, that after accepting profiles with BY to our local database we should try to make sure that it applies to all occurences of that name. If not, we have to add the same name again (no BY necessary) and assign it to the relevant profiles.
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I do not see teh problem all that big.

If I add a BY locally, I have to make sure that all occurences of that name are for the dsame person. If I don't have profiles for "that other person", then obviously I cannot add a BY there.

Uploading is not a problem, as this is done on a per-profile basis and gets voted upon. If I set a wrong BY or accidentally upload Harrison Ford (1942) for a profile with that "old dude", it should get voted down.

Only thing we now realize is, that after accepting profiles with BY to our local database we should try to make sure that it applies to all occurences of that name. If not, we have to add the same name again (no BY necessary) and assign it to the relevant profiles.



Right.  Except that if you have to go along behind a feature and corrects mistakes, it isn't a feature, it's a BUG!
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You are not losing anything here though.

Before you downloaded the birth year you had all the "Harrison Ford"s linked - whether correctly or not -  and after you have them all linked still, but now with a birth year. It is not breaking any functionality or adding any new incorrect links.

You are however, by getting a birth year, getting a prompt that there are multiple people with that name. Having that tells you it is worth checking your name table to make sure the links are correct - so it is providing additional info.

It is not perfect, but I think we are gaining by having it. I like Hal's idea in principal (I think it should be optional), as it would allow you to act on the situation immediately.
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I understand, what you are saying, lopek But, and again this is my own standards, I would NOT make a single change to BY, it falls to me as the user making the change to considerate of my fellow users and make sure that all the data is correct, and that includes all people with the same name. not that consideration seems to run high on anyone's agenda here, but that is my procedure and i haven't begun using it yet.

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Right.  Except that if you have to go along behind a feature and corrects mistakes, it isn't a feature, it's a BUG!

There is only two choices for the software:
- add a new actor at the time of downloading the profile, with BY
- change the actor entry and add the BY

In both situation manual intervention is required to correct some entries to restore linking between the same persons.

As Lopek pointed out, having the actor entry changed is actually the better solution (therefore not a bug), as the linking you have at the time of the update is kept in tact; previously all entries of that same name without BY were wrongly connected. It should, however, prompt the user to edit the actor list.
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Right.  Except that if you have to go along behind a feature and corrects mistakes, it isn't a feature, it's a BUG!

There is only two choices for the software:
- add a new actor at the time of downloading the profile, with BY
- change the actor entry and add the BY

In both situation manual intervention is required to correct some entries to restore linking between the same persons.

As Lopek pointed out, having the actor entry changed is actually the better solution (therefore not a bug), as the linking you have at the time of the update is kept in tact; previously all entries of that same name without BY were wrongly connected. It should, however, prompt the user to edit the actor list.


And if *I* have to edit the actor list to make sure none of the wrong actors get changed, then it IS a bug because I don't have control over it.  I should have complete control over any changes that get made for me.
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And if *I* have to edit the actor list to make sure none of the wrong actors get changed, then it IS a bug because I don't have control over it.  I should have complete control over any changes that get made for me.

You do - you get to choose whether to accept any updates - including those that include additional birth years.
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You do - you get to choose whether to accept any updates - including those that include additional birth years.


This would be true when downloading from the updates by Invelos. However, most of us who downloaded the Headshots Import Utility, by default 'inherited' tons of cast profiles with a birth year. This is why it becomes a problem, and now I have to manually edit those to have the correct cross linking.
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And if *I* have to edit the actor list to make sure none of the wrong actors get changed, then it IS a bug because I don't have control over it.  I should have complete control over any changes that get made for me.

You do - you get to choose whether to accept any updates - including those that include additional birth years.


You've also got the added problem that you can't accept only part of a cast or crew change.
I also like Hal's idea of being asked which names to add the BY to when an update is downloaded.
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You do - you get to choose whether to accept any updates - including those that include additional birth years.


This would be true when downloading from the updates by Invelos. However, most of us who downloaded the Headshots Import Utility, by default 'inherited' tons of cast profiles with a birth year. This is why it becomes a problem, and now I have to manually edit those to have the correct cross linking.


Yes, but that was caused by the users who created the 'Headshots db'.  They should never have included the BYs...one reason why I will never use that utility.
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And if *I* have to edit the actor list to make sure none of the wrong actors get changed, then it IS a bug because I don't have control over it.  I should have complete control over any changes that get made for me.

You do - you get to choose whether to accept any updates - including those that include additional birth years.


Unless you get the BY from a new addition to your db.
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Unless you get the BY from a new addition to your db.


Yup, this can happen to you without you even realizing it!

Download a profile for a DVD you just bought and wham.....it's been done to you!  No Warning.
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Yup, this can happen to you without you even realizing it!

Download a profile for a DVD you just bought and wham.....it's been done to you!  No Warning.

At least now there was a warning and from now on the Preview button can be used
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This would be true when downloading from the updates by Invelos. However, most of us who downloaded the Headshots Import Utility, by default 'inherited' tons of cast profiles with a birth year. This is why it becomes a problem, and now I have to manually edit those to have the correct cross linking.

But that is not an Invelos service, or Invelos supported - so Invelos is not responsible for how it affects your cast table.

And as Achim says, if a user is so obsessed about keeping all BYs out of their local then they can preview new profiles to check for them. In which case they can do add without download, and then update the profile, excluding the cast/crew.
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