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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why do people credited in adult titles show [hidden title] and UPC? I'm not sure how useful the credit lookup tool would be for adult material if you can only see the UPC and not the title.
Could this be made selectable like the way images are for voting purposes? After all, I can see the title of adult contributions when I vote | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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Nice addition. Would be even nicer if the list shown also displays both names (common name and credited as) so we can easily see if a common name has already been entered in the database. The way it is now, I have to click on each separate entry found to see this information.
True: that would indeed be very helpful! I agree too. I think the information of common names is less reliable than the credited as information, because common names could easily been taken from a third source while the credited as has been checked with the actual credits. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
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Nice addition. Would be even nicer if the list shown also displays both names (common name and credited as) so we can easily see if a common name has already been entered in the database. The way it is now, I have to click on each separate entry found to see this information.
True: that would indeed be very helpful!
I agree too. I think the information of common names is less reliable than the credited as information, because common names could easily been taken from a third source while the credited as has been checked with the actual credits. Unfortunately it appears the the vast majority of 'credited as' will not match the credits because most have come from 3rd party databases (you know where). Even when most people add a 'common' name entry they usually just move the current (often wrong) credit to the 'credited as' field without verifying against the screen credit. I confess that I have sometimes been guilty of this when checking name variants with the variants plug in. I will create the common name entry and move the existing entry to the credited as field becuase, in theory, it should have originally been taken from the screen credits. But, as is coming all too apparent, that is clearly not the case. | | | | Stuart | | | | Last edited: by Gadgeteer |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm afraid you're right, but I think displaying the number of times a name appears as common and as credited in the database would help. That way we can make a better judgement which is right or wrong. The way it is now is really not very helpful (to me). | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
Wonder if the credits report tool could be broken down by locality. While the report tool could be separated by locality, the resulting common name should defintely not be broken down by locality because a lot of people (see voting thread) own DVDs from more than one locality. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
There are certain rules that IMDB and other sites use when it comes to the names they use like they don't use a comma before a "Jr." even if it appears in the film credits they treat the names with and without the common as the same name. We also use some rules to get the common name besides looking for the most commonly credited name in the credits. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,704 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
I'm afraid you're right, but I think displaying the number of times a name appears as common and as credited in the database would help. That way we can make a better judgement which is right or wrong. The way it is now is really not very helpful (to me). Can't agree with that; IMD* was too often used here, as you can see with my "Tim deZarn" example... Regards, AA | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | Now we can see the state of the database I'm so glad that Ken didn't implement the automatic "Most Credited" look up to determine the "Common Name" | | | | Stuart |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
Now we can see the state of the database I'm so glad that Ken didn't implement the automatic "Most Credited" look up to determine the "Common Name" Me too. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
Now we can see the state of the database I'm so glad that Ken didn't implement the automatic "Most Credited" look up to determine the "Common Name" Who has been telling us constantly that this database was so much more accurate than every other third party source and specially IMDb? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,263 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
Why do people credited in adult titles show [hidden title] and UPC? I'm not sure how useful the credit lookup tool would be for adult material if you can only see the UPC and not the title.
Could this be made selectable like the way images are for voting purposes? After all, I can see the title of adult contributions when I vote It doesn't really work that well anyway as it relies on people flagging a title as adult, so you get exactly the same title coming up as a hidden title and displayed where it has a different UPC. But yeah if this is part of the functionality then it should be an option you can select to automatically display. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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There are certain rules that IMDB and other sites use when it comes to the names they use like they don't use a comma before a "Jr." even if it appears in the film credits they treat the names with and without the common as the same name.
We also use some rules to get the common name besides looking for the most commonly credited name in the credits. What "rules" for common names might that be? Right now this is the only offical rule we have "Use the "As Credited" field where the person's name differs from the credited name". At any rate your taking my comments out of context. I was trying to explain why IMDB would be using "Sabrina Le Beauf" as a common name even though the majority of her credits may be "Sabrina Le Beauf". Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
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I'm afraid you're right, but I think displaying the number of times a name appears as common and as credited in the database would help. That way we can make a better judgement which is right or wrong. The way it is now is really not very helpful (to me).
Can't agree with that; IMD* was too often used here, as you can see with my "Tim deZarn" example...
Regards, AA Yeah it seems pretty much a dart board... Some actors and crew members appear to have better data than others. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. | | | | Last edited: by Tracer |
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| Registered: May 27, 2007 | | Posts: 13 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've just one question: If a name doesn't appear and I got the profile from IVS, is this because the cast wasn't contributed (e.g. 1. April 200, Pan Tau)? |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Small suggestion for Ken: how would you feel about pulling the "title" in the search results from the "original title" field? The search results indicate "xx titles (yy profiles)", but the number of titles is far from accurate because of a number of localities that always translate the title. I feel more accuracy on the number of titles could be achieved when you take the title from the "original title" field, which is more likely to be the same throughout the various regions/localities. I do see that nothing is fool-proof when dealing with a user-built database, but it sure would help.
Edit: leaving out the "edition" field (various editions of the same title are now also counted as separate "titles") would also help... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Small suggestion for Ken: how would you feel about pulling the "title" in the search results from the "original title" field? The search results indicate "xx titles (yy profiles)", but the number of titles is far from accurate because of a number of localities that always translate the title. I feel more accuracy on the number of titles could be achieved when you take the title from the "original title" field, which is more likely to be the same throughout the various regions/localities. I do see that nothing is fool-proof when dealing with a user-built database, but it sure would help.
Edit: leaving out the "edition" field (various editions of the same title are now also counted as separate "titles") would also help... I think this a great idea! I hope Ken agrees. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,014 |
| | Posted: | | | | Seconded! (this is starting to become a Dutch issue...  ) |
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