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Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl: Collector's Edition and Guess Who. (Locked)
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
Who is John Galt?
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Quoting eaglejd:
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What proof do you have that the Credit Lookup Tool is a reflection of IMDB?


You forgot the smiley on this question.

It was a joke, wasn't it? 
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Cool. Thank you.

So how do we use this? I looked up Barbra Streisand (260 hits) and Barbara Streisand (15 hits). So I just state in my contribution notes that I looked it up in this lookup, state the results, and we're done with documentation?


In general, yes.  There will be cases that require a bit more perusing to make sure there aren't false matches.


Based on the above statement from Ken (bolding by me), we do not have to enter the name from the look up tool like robots if we know that it is wrong; namely it is based on erroneous IMDb data permeating our database!
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but that is when you can't just go by believing it is wrong... that is when you need to document the look-up tool is wrong.

In my opinion... the best way to do that is if everyone gets busy and correct profiles so that the look-up tool is correct.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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but that is when you can't just go by believing it is wrong... that is when you need to document the look-up tool is wrong.

In my opinion... the best way to do that is if everyone gets busy and correct profiles so that the look-up tool is correct.

I can certainly agree with you on both counts. Yes, we should all get busy and correct profiles (and I am!), and yes, in the meantime the lookup tool results certainly should not be considered sacred, as long as some documentation can be provided to back that assumption up. For this particular case, I thought I supplied more then enough: I pointed out the results are undoubtedly influenced by the IMDb-name, I named a couple of high-profile movie credits, I referred to her official website and MySpace-page, and to top it all of I managed to supply her actual signature. If that isn't enough documentation, I don't know what is. While more and more profiles are being corrected, I must admit that I see very little use in replacing a "Zoë Saldana [Zoe Saldana]" credit with a "Zoe Saldana" one right now.

I think the "lookup tool" will prove pretty valuable at some point in the future, but it may well take another year before most profiles are actually "as credited". There's little sense in simply reinstating the IMDb-names into profiles which already contain "common names" which are likely to be correct.
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Tim:

Your references are irrelevant and only of use to you. Do what you want to LOCALLY, but follow the RUles for the Online, you are WRONG. You MIGHT be righty about IMdb, SO WHAT and as I said the common name may well change as we go forward, but this is true of all but a handful names in the database, you are overthinking it.

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Tim:

Your references are irrelevant and only of use to you. Do what you want to LOCALLY, but follow the RUles for the Online, you are WRONG. You MIGHT be righty about IMdb, SO WHAT and as I said the common name may well change as we go forward, but this is true of all but a handful names in the database, you are overthinking it.

Skip

I'll be happy to put these assembled references, including her signature, to a vote in a dozen profile contributions. Shall we make a bet how many of those will get accepted?
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IMO, we should follow the rules and use what is produced. If there is a problem it is with the cast credits of the films.

The right thing to do is correct the casts and if that changes the numbers then the common name can be changed to the new numbers.
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The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs.  The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name. 

However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered.  Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results.
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IMO, we should follow the rules and use what is produced. If there is a problem it is with the cast credits of the films.

The right thing to do is correct the casts and if that changes the numbers then the common name can be changed to the new numbers.


This is the way I believe it should be done.
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs.  The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name. 

However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered.  Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results.


Thank You Ken... is what I was trying to say... it outweighs outweigh other sources and correcting all the profiles is the best bet to correct the look-up tool.
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs.  The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name. 

However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered.  Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results.


Thank You Ken,

The best way to go is correct the cast of the films. The problem is not with the lookup tool it is with incorrect cast.
Jim

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Quoting Ken Cole:
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The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs.  The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name. 

However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered.  Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results.


That was my belief, Ken.

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Quoting Ken Cole:
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The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs.  The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name. 

However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered.  Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results.



Since you popped in... here is a question for you...

When I looked up Kevin Smith in the Look-up Tool it showed the results for both Kevin Smiths in the database (Ares on Xena and the one famous for Clerks and such movies)... is there any way you can get the look-up tool to consider the 2 different actors instead of having them both show up for the list?... maybe when you search the name it ask which we are talking about Kevin Smith (YOB) or Kevin Smith (YOB) and then just click on the one we mean?
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That would be helpful.

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Quoting T!M:
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As has been pointed out time and time again in the past few months, the one thing our "lookup tool" clearly shows is how big a part of our database actually matches IMDb. Nine out of ten times the biggest "score" in our lookup tool will be for the IMDb-name, and it isn't any different in this case.

I think it's fair to point out that the fact that a name matches IMDb doesn't necessarily mean that it is wrong.  While I agree with the assertion that IMDB is frequently wrong (and have observed many instances where it is), I believe that IMDb data is more often correct than incorrect.  Do I mean that I will blindly accept IMDb data as correct?  No.  But neither wil I automatically assume that data that matches IMDb data is incorrect.
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true... which once again means if you think something is wrong... there is one answer.. pull out the disc and check.... then if need be correct it per the rules.
Pete
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