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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
That is what I have been waiting to see, Unicus. Bless you my son!!!!
So for example
Dan Craig as James Bond---Credited as Daniel Craig
would appear as
Daniel Craig as James Bond
Yes?
Skip Skip are you saying that you have not tried this yet!  pdf | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | LOL, Paul not even close to it, yet. Give me time.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | And then we have the issue of the Juniors:
Robert Downey Jr. vs Robert Downey, Jr. vs Robert Downey Jr vs Robert Downey, Jr
Unless the program has been revised to not differentiate between these punctuation variations (which would be nice....), though I don't think it has. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Quoting Pantheon:
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Am I missing something? Or being dense?
With the new 'credited as' feature, the cast list still displays the name as it appears in the credits - as the rules have always stated it should do.
It's only the name you pick as the starting point that is different.
Surely, as long as the cast list display is a replica of the film credits that's all that matters?
As I said, I may be being a little dense, but I don't see what the fuss is all about.
Neil (Neill  ):
That's what I am trying to determine.
Skip
But Skip, it just does not matter. Even if well all pick our own way to enter an actors name we are no worse off then we were in the past with DVDP 2.5. But if we can work as a team and pick names that we all can use, the system will work.
As an 'expert' on databases you should know that the 'key' can be anything, we could use the actors name backwards and it all would work fine as long as the 'as credited' field is filled out with the right data.
pdf Correct, Paul or there can even be multiple keys. But that said, since we have some users who lie to TALK about accuracy. DOCUMENTATION is the key. Documentation is not "It is because I think it is", It is because I am Chinese or any of the other possible points one could bring up. You people have seen my notes, I TRY to document everything, though right now because of volume constraints that is difficult. Even on well-known actors and crew we should document any change from the norm (As Credited). What should that documentation be...I have struggled with this particular question for over a year and I don't think there is a simple answer. I will outline the standards that I use for documenting my own work 1) Actor(Crew) person's OWN website 2) Some reference source (NOT IMDb), though I might use them in anttempt to find more data 3)Screen Caps/Time Stamps I use a minimum of two independent sources for any change to a name I might make. Do NOT just throw a change up on the wall and expect me to buy it because I won't. If you are interested in accuracy as some of you claim to be, then you understand this and wil agree. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
And then we have the issue of the Juniors:
Robert Downey Jr. vs Robert Downey, Jr. vs Robert Downey Jr vs Robert Downey, Jr
Unless the program has been revised to not differentiate between these punctuation variations (which would be nice....), though I don't think it has. Typical usage for the master name, gard, would be Robert Downey, Jr. which is what i would i recommend and would use here. It si the proper usage and breaks with the shortcut used by another source. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip, Did I just understand you correctly when I read you haven't messed with it yet. Quote:
"Not even close to it yet. Give me time." Why are you fighting so hard against something you haven't even tried yet to see if it works  It's amazing to me that so many people came to this site with a fresh attitude. Many swallowed their pride and admitted they were wrong about DVDP. And yet you have to come here and continue right where we left off at IVS. There is no great conspiracy to destroy the database nor is there one to attack Skipnet50 every time he opens his mouth. You bring it on yourself. How many time did we hear "it is Ken's program not ours, we do it his way" from you during rules discussions. Now this. Sad really.  Haven't even tried it yet but you know it won't work. Unbelievable.  note to self...see if there are PM blocks on this forum |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Rick: Do you have the ability to read? Or did you just miss it. When Unicus answered my question. Like I said "Now if you clowns would get over yourselves and try to comprehend my concerns and issues instead of adopting a "Skip opened his mouth let's slap him around" attitude, we'll be able to get a lot further a lot faster." Try it, Rick.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,328 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: I will outline the standards that I use for documenting my own work 1) Actor(Crew) person's OWN website 2) Some reference source (NOT IMDb), though I might use them in anttempt to find more data 3)Screen Caps/Time Stamps I use a minimum of two independent sources for any change to a name I might make. Do NOT just throw a change up on the wall and expect me to buy it because I won't. If you are interested in accuracy as some of you claim to be, then you understand this and wil agree. Skip That's great that you are willing to document your changes, but I don't recall anyone putting you in charge. What you are proposing works for some known actors but not for 99% of actors in the USA cinema let alone Asian cinema. | | | | My Home Theater | | | | Last edited: by xradman |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Rick:
Do you have the ability to read? Or did you just miss it. When Unicus answered my question.
Like I said
"Now if you clowns would get over yourselves and try to comprehend my concerns and issues instead of adopting a "Skip opened his mouth let's slap him around" attitude, we'll be able to get a lot further a lot faster."
Try it, Rick.
Skip Just pointing out how truly bizarre it is to even have any concerns without trying the system 1st (IMO). Like I said "There is no great conspiracy to destroy the database nor is there one to attack Skipnet50 every time he opens his mouth. You bring it on yourself." I promise you, I do not come here hoping I get the chance to "slap you around". Fact is I don't enjoy it at all.  and yes, I have the ability to read, but nice comment. I can even tipe AND I spel good as wel |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xradman: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
I will outline the standards that I use for documenting my own work
1) Actor(Crew) person's OWN website
2) Some reference source (NOT IMDb), though I might use them in anttempt to find more data
3)Screen Caps/Time Stamps
I use a minimum of two independent sources for any change to a name I might make. Do NOT just throw a change up on the wall and expect me to buy it because I won't. If you are interested in accuracy as some of you claim to be, then you understand this and wil agree.
Skip That's great that you are willing to document your changes, but I don't recall anyone putting you in charge. What you are proposing works for some known actors but not for 99% of actors in Asian cinema. Then don't make changes just based on your opinion or preference that it should be that way, xradman. Like I said DOCUMENT, do not expect me support it if you just thorw it on the wall. And if you do that then you are not interested in accuracy, you are interested in your personal preference for how YOU think the data should appear. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Last edited: by lyonsden5 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Rick:
Do you have the ability to read? Or did you just miss it. When Unicus answered my question.
Like I said
"Now if you clowns would get over yourselves and try to comprehend my concerns and issues instead of adopting a "Skip opened his mouth let's slap him around" attitude, we'll be able to get a lot further a lot faster."
Try it, Rick.
Skip
Just pointing out how truly bizarre it is to even have any concerns without trying the system 1st (IMO).
Like I said
"There is no great conspiracy to destroy the database nor is there one to attack Skipnet50 every time he opens his mouth. You bring it on yourself."
I promise you, I do not come here hoping I get the chance to "slap you around". Fact is I don't enjoy it at all.
and yes, I have the ability to read, but nice comment. I can even tipe AND I spel good as wel Yet YOU and a few others just have to do it, no matter what, Rick. I was expressing a legitimate concern and trying to figure it out. Unlike you, I am swamped right now as is Ken and moving as fast as I can. So instead of trying to help me resolve it, you resort to an insulting attitude. Thanks for nothing, pal. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Much as I fear to say it would it not be the most consistent approach that the 'core' name is the one used by <gulp> IMDb? IANAL but I would imagine we're not actually guilty of using their data, just agreeing with their choices, if we do this and it means there is no argument over who is right, which should be core, what order Asian names are in etc. which will plague the database forever unless some 'can be followed by anyone Rule' is put in place. I shall now hide  | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong | | | | Last edited: by Voltaire53 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Yet YOU and a few others just have to do it, no matter what, Rick. I was expressing a legitimate concern and trying to figure it out. Unlike you, I am swamped right now as is Ken and moving as fast as I can. So instead of trying to help me resolve it, you resort to an insulting attitude. Thanks for nothing, pal.
Skip Skip, relax. jeez If you and Ken are "swamped" (not sure what that means, unless he has you working with him ) then stay out of the discussion till you can catch up. No big deal. The program isn't going anywhere. Instead, you take what little time you have and create this argument. When your done helping fix the server or whatever you and he are doing then try the Credited As feature. It really works nicely. After you've played with it a bit then come join us. (I still don't understand why anyone would argue for or against something they've never tried ) In the mean time we'll be in the back room as Unicus said,  our strategy on how to discredit you even more |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,328 |
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Then don't make changes just based on your opinion or preference that it should be that way, xradman. Like I said DOCUMENT, do not expect me support it if you just thorw it on the wall. And if you do that then you are not interested in accuracy, you are interested in your personal preference for how YOU think the data should appear.
Skip
Skip,
I do not expect your support. You do not have the same concerns as I do since last time I checked, you do not have any meaningful collection of Asian DVDs. I am sure you would be singing a different tune if every one of actors in your collection had their names mispelled or backwards.
Since we have an opportunity to separated "as credited" from the names in the main actor database, I thought it only logical that we should attempt to correct any gross errors (such as putting names backwards) before having to prove that our corrections are erroneous. In fact it would make more sense to me to have a small committee of regional experts scan through the database to make global corrections to their area of expertise, before giving rest of the community the opportunity to make changes.
I really wish we could have one of these cast discussions without getting sidelined by Skip vs. rest arguments.
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