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Parsing chinese names, example Gong (Family name) Li (given name)
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Exactly. Which makes the "enter what you see on screen" creed kinda mute...
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Only until the program is able to recognize Asian character sets.

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AND we find a practical way of recognizing them ourselves and entering them with our keyboards... 

Edit: and then still... for all non-Asian users some form of transcription to the Latin character set would be useful, if not necessary. I for one would not benefit from crew and cast lists in Asian characters. But perhaps your Mandarin is better than mine... 
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Could be. I haven't purchased a title that has those needs yet, I know they are out there, so I can't provide any useful input, the ones that I have thus far have both an Original charactyer set and a Hollywood character set.

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Skip,

What is your big stake in this question?

You own how many DVDs of Asian films? Five? And of these how many are recent Chinese films with credits in mixed English and Chinese?

Some of us have a bigger Asian film collection, mine is over 200, most of which only list 'major' actors in the subtitles. Some list as 'family name'/'given name' others 'fix' it and switch the order.

Other people who have posted in this thread have much bigger collections of Asian films; 'synner_man' has seemed to have contributed to and/or voted on every profile for an Asian film that I own!

The current state of the profiles of Asian film profiles is a big mess, full of IMDb data. We need a better way to deal with this issue. Hopefully Ken will take some time to work this out in the near future!

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Hopefully Ken will take some time to work this out in the near future!


Has anyone actually bothered to ask him?  I don't have a dog in this fight, but when I do, I ask him.  It seems pointless to cover the same ground over and over and over again.  Why doesn't someone just ask him? 
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Paul:

My big stake in this question is making sure that the rules are followed, and to try and figure out a compromise position, which ken has done. what is big stake in sticking your big nose in...hmmmm.

How typical of you. To enter with your usual combative and argumentative attitude. Until such time as the program can cope with Asian character sets, that particular aspect will continue to be problematic. But by and large this discussion is not about such films, very seldom is Kanji or any other character set talked about, the issue revolves always around English handlingh of asian names and the way Profiler wants it done versus CULTURE...hmmm where have i seen this before. I have explained this all way too many times, Paul I have even tried to aid in developing a compromise and ken has produced a compromise, but as i said it appears that a compromise is not in the cards for users like you. You much prefer the argumentative approach andsimply want the program to do it your way. Do it profiler's way, for a change, stop acting like I don't know what and being a total jerk. Use the as Credited system and document what the names really should be and you will have no problems with me, except for the ones YOU obviously wish to create. Got it...Good .

Mumbles to self...what a....

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Unicus:

It appears to me have been solved, I can certainly understand what Ken has said. Do we have to bother him to weigh in on EVERY niggling point. He has a program to right. his comments regartding accented, fit very nicely with this issue, both issues are culturally based and ken has said to use the CA system.<shrugs> I can figure that out, I don't need him to weigh in on EVERYTHING, I want new versions of profiler.

We list Li Gong CA Gong Li, Yun-Fat Chat CA Chow Yun-Fat, that is what ken said to do relative to the accented characters cultural issue, why is this any different. It is the SAME argument, it is all about cultural norms versus On screen data, NOTHING MORE or less.
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Hopefully Ken will take some time to work this out in the near future!


Has anyone actually bothered to ask him?  I don't have a dog in this fight, but when I do, I ask him.  It seems pointless to cover the same ground over and over and over again.  Why doesn't someone just ask him? 


Hmmmm, what about
this feature request
and this one
or maybe this one?


Not that I personally have anything to gain from support for Asian character sets, BTW... 
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Paul:

And why are Asian titles full of IMDb data on what basis. Are you referring to transcribing Asian character sets or just simple ignoring the rules. Excuse me, paul I know the answer and i have ZERO tolerance for it.The Rule is clear, it was designed to be culturally completely blind, as i have explained repeatedly. Ken has provied an answer and yet people like you persist...what is your motive? You have the ability to follow both the Rules and enter the data As Credited AND get the data the way you want it. That leaves two possibilities, you don't want to or can't document the data as you wish it to appear (I don't know which) or something else entirely.

I don't understand this, the problem is solved. Yet we must prattle on.<shrugs> 'Splain it to me.

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And how exactly are we to enter the data As Credited when these data consist of Asian characters and Asian characters ONLY?
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We list Li Gong CA Gong Li, Yun-Fat Chat CA Chow Yun-Fat, that is what ken said to do relative to the accented characters cultural issue, why is this any different. It is the SAME argument, it is all about cultural norms versus On screen data, NOTHING MORE or less.

Hang on, first you say that the first/middle/last name fields have no cultural relevance and we should enter what we see on screen - now you say they do have a cultural relevance and we should use "credited as"!
Make your mind up! 
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Hopefully Ken will take some time to work this out in the near future!


Has anyone actually bothered to ask him?  I don't have a dog in this fight, but when I do, I ask him.  It seems pointless to cover the same ground over and over and over again.  Why doesn't someone just ask him? 

Has anyone else PMd Ken asking for guidance on this? I don't want to bother him if someone else has already done it.
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Good God, deejay, I have talked about that. That is a program limitation i have no control over. What happens if we get a Russian film that uses Cyrillic characters. I REPEAT I am talking English character sets and the Asianb cultural norms. I can do NOTHING about other character sets that the program won't recognize. If that's the question and the answer to the IMDb issue mentioned then i will give that some thought.<pulling my hair out>
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Quoting northbloke:
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We list Li Gong CA Gong Li, Yun-Fat Chat CA Chow Yun-Fat, that is what ken said to do relative to the accented characters cultural issue, why is this any different. It is the SAME argument, it is all about cultural norms versus On screen data, NOTHING MORE or less.

Hang on, first you say that the first/middle/last name fields have no cultural relevance and we should enter what we see on screen - now you say they do have a cultural relevance and we should use "credited as"!
Make your mind up! 

North:

Then you have not read ANYTHING i have said, if you believe that. I have said REPEATEDLY that form an As Credited pPOV do NOT deviate form what is Onn Screen, there culture has no relevance PERIOD. I have also stated AND quoted Ken and that he recently solved the cultural issue by saying with DOCUMENTATION you can use the CA syustem. I have always recognized the culture issue,but I have also said that for what we were trying to achieve with As credited that culture was irrelevant and remains so. But ken has allowed for the cultural side to be addressed as well, which is a good thing. do me a favor for once, Nortyn read and understand EVERY word I say, instead of simply being disagreeable because you dislike the either the message or the messenger.<shakes head>
MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!

At the risk of being repetitive, this also does NOT deal with Character sets in ANY language that the program does not recognize. All any of us can do about that is cry and hope that someday such character sets will one day be recognized by the program, so talking about them endlessly is wasting everyone's time, we can't do anything about it. It has been requested i Feature numerous times and repeatedly over the years, all we can do is wait.

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@ Skip:
Just felt your reply to Paul was a bit TOO simplistic - it doesn't cover all grounds, that's all I wanted to hint at.
For what it's worth: I can live very well with your approach to use the Credited As feature. I could live very well with northbloke's 2007 feature request for a checkbox too. As long as the current mess, that Paul rightly mentioned, gets sorted I'm a happy camper. 
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