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Parsing chinese names, example Gong (Family name) Li (given name)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheFly
Registered: March 18, 2007
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Thanks for sending that to Ken north. I don't think we're ever going to get anywhere on this without his intervention, since despite apparent general consensus about what needs to be done amongst most of the people who actually deal with Asian profiles, certain people whom this issue does not even affect insist on hijacking all attempts to resolve it.

For the record, as detailed by my posts in this thread back in February, I fully support this option:

Quoting northbloke:
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- enter the name following western given/family pattern (Yun Fat//Chow) along with an update to the software (possibly a checkbox) allowing the order to be swapped on screen when needed. Upside: allows all family names (Asian and Western) to be in the same data field but still have the name shown as credited. Downside: impossible to implement without a software update.


The only stipulation I would add which you haven't explicitly mentioned is that the fields should be renamed (First -> Given, Last -> Family, remove Middle).
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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My suggestion would be as follows. In the here and now FOLLOW the Rules, stop trying to rewrite them to give special handling to Asian culture or ANY other cultuture, should someone start conmplaining because their culture reads right to left, therefore yielding different results. Use the CA system to achieve the cultural representation. What you seem to fail to understand, is that you arre basically wanting to trash the rules, just because of culture. I am examining your two software updates to see which one i think might be the most effective, but that doesn't help us NOW. I would also appreciate if you would stop with your accusations, of "I don't understand" or implying some other form o disrespect. I have explained this carefully, I am FULLY aware of the various cultural issues, and when I designed the Rules format I DELIBERATELY ignored them in order to keep the Rules SIMPLE, the culture became simply the culture of the screen if you will. The data displayed as it is ON the Screen. Reason, you cannot write SIMPLE Rules if you start accounting for the variety of cultures that are possible. Hebrew characters are special characters and read right to left, most if not all Asian characters are handled vertically, in reality I am not sure a program could be developed that could handle all of the possibilities. I don't even think Microsoft tries to do that, they ask which language you want to function in, and that will determine your data display.

The solution to this in the short run seems obvious and simple based on Ken's prior comments and based on the design. Now let me go analyze your two program changes.   I'll let you know what i think.

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Billy Video
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Registered: March 15, 2007
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Quoting TheFly:
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The only stipulation I would add which you haven't explicitly mentioned is that the fields should be renamed (First -> Given, Last -> Family, remove Middle).

You're right, I forgot to add that. However, as it's more of a cosmetic change (to be honest I don't care what the fields are called as long as we know what to put in them!), I don't think I'll change my PM to Ken to keep it as simple as possible (who said "too late"?  ).
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I am still looking at Option 4, Option 2 with your update violates the rules plain and simple. Here is something for you to keep in mind. And this is where I think you are confusing things, I deal with contributions, which is what the Rules are all about, that data must be handled in a consistent manner. You talk about checkboxes/switches affects what...not the Online, they are local choices. I am not sure that they resolve much of anything for you. They might make life slightly easier but your LOCAL preference would be Yun-Fat Chow, while the Online is going to be Chow Yun-Fat (most of the time), you NOW can make the necessary change to reflect your preference upon download, with your checkbox/switch you would still have to go in and check the box to get the display as you want it, so I am not sure how much would be gained, a slight reduction in time, checkbox versus editing, perhaps. Obviously, i think it would have to be a choice you would have to make each time as there would be no way for the program to be able to identify an Asian name. Computers aren't THAT smart...yet.

Perhaps that is the crux of the case, confusing Online data with local data.<shrugs>

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