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simple question about overview
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantAgrare
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I downloaded a profile to use as a base for a new profile (the disc ID matched and pulled up the profile, but mine is a box set content so no upc and the profile that downloaded was by UPC, but thats not the point)

So after changing the profile to disc id, i started verifying some info, and there were a few mistakes in the overview (spelling errors not present on the cover) i figured I'd fix these in the UPC profile as well since I can read the overview from the cover scans. There are two by UPC profiles for this, both with the exact same overview on the back. some words are split because they go onto a second line so in the overview (on the cover) they are entered as extrava-ganza (etc). The one profile removed the dashes from these words, the other has them. What is the proper way. I would think it would be with the dashes because thats 'exactly as appears on the cover' but since the - just shows it continues on the next line, and when transcribing it, it doesn't cross two lines should it be dropped or not?

-Agrare
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I would drop the '-'.  It is merely punctuation indicating that the word continues on the next line which is no longer required in today's world.
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agreed
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I would agree with hal9g but here's the conumdrum - the rules state to enter the profile exactly as it exists on the case.  Now does the - really exist or not? 
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Required or not, if the '-' is on the case, it has to be entered into profiler.
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I agree with Unicus69. The reason the rule states "should match the back of the DVD case exactly" is to avoid ping-ponging as some may prefer not to have it some may prefer to keep it.
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We are talking about end-of-line hyphens right?

If an end-of-line hyphen is to be required (and i disagree) then the corresponding carriage return (and possibly line feed, depending on the OS the jacket was created under ) must also be included.  If the jacket has an end-of-line hyphen and i'm required to include that i'd expect No votes if it didn't follow it with a carriage return.  One without the other would not match the jacket exactly and would be wrong by definition.

The full rule (minus exceptions) is "Overviews should match the back of the DVD case exactly, including capitalization of words exactly as it is shown on the back of the case. If words are highlighted in italic or bold on the case, then identify them with ‘single quotation’ marks." which states which typographic characteristics are deemed important by the powers-that-be.

If we must included end-of-line hyphens we must also include all the weird spacing and formatting used to get around photos and other stuff on the jacket.  The program doesn't allow this level of detail/craziness at present.

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If we are talking about random, nonsensical hyphens in the middle of words in the middle of sentences, then yes, include them.  Those are funny.
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This is not a simple question. 

I think these should be left off reviews, even though the rules can easily be interpeted to say include them. I agree with keeping the spelling mistakes, but feel this is taking it too far and wouldn't look right or make sense when reading the overview from the profile. Yes they are on the case, but if the layout was different they wouldn't be (but the spelling errors still would, see the logic here? ). Then you know they'll all show up in the middle of a perfectly fine flowing line of text on the overview, and just make for confusion.

I sense some more neutral votes coming up.
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If we must included end-of-line hyphens we must also include all the weird spacing and formatting used to get around photos and other stuff on the jacket.  The program doesn't allow this level of detail/craziness at present.


That's my take as well: it is formatting/typographic stuff, therefore do not include it.

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If we are talking about random, nonsensical hyphens in the middle of words in the middle of sentences, then yes, include them.  Those are funny.


Agree.  That would be part of the text.
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"...match the back of the case exactly" means that it should match the back of the case EXACTLY.  Not, unless you believe the hyphen doesn't belong there.  We do not match each carraige return...that which ends each line in the overview...but we do copy each and every character exactly as it is in the overview.

As Max points out, this is done for a reason.  You think it is 'nonsensical', so you want to leave it out.  Other people think copying typos is 'nonsensical', should they be allowed to correct them?  If the answer to that question is 'no', then you can't leave out the hyphen either.  Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. 
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"...match the back of the case exactly" means that it should match the back of the case EXACTLY.  Not, unless you believe the hyphen doesn't belong there.  We do not match each carraige return...that which ends each line in the overview...but we do copy each and every character exactly as it is in the overview.

As Max points out, this is done for a reason.  You think it is 'nonsensical', so you want to leave it out.  Other people think copying typos is 'nonsensical', should they be allowed to correct them?  If the answer to that question is 'no', then you can't leave out the hyphen either.  Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. 

Please note i used the word 'nonsensical' for those hyphens i'd keep (the funny ones).

Those that split words were not 'nonsensical' but typographic.  We don't need them.  The Coles have not required justification of the text we enter in Overviews, words wrap to the next line automagically, so no hyphenation is necessary. Typographic elements they require (Bold, Italics, Capitalization) i gladly provide.

(Note: carriage returns and line feeds are characters.  They have the same electronic heft as alphabetic, numeric and typographic characters.  When my profile submission notes are pushing the 1,000 character limit i'm looking for carriage returns i can remove to save space.)

I don't want it both ways.  But if end-of-line hyphens are demanded then the carriage returns are also required, along with the formatting/spacing at the beginning of lines.
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I agree with Unicus69. The reason the rule states "should match the back of the DVD case exactly" is to avoid ping-ponging as some may prefer not to have it some may prefer to keep it.


Then we must duplicate all "carriage returns" exactly as they are on the back cover!

And indents and line spacing, etc., etc., etc........

These all have ascii code representations just like a hyphen.

Exact either means exact or it doesn't.
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This is exactly the insanity that is going on right now with en, em and other dashes.  We are attempting to match the back cover EXACTLY using a tool set that is incapable of doing that.

I think it is time to reevaluate the rules about how the overview text is entered.  What is the purpose of capturing the overview in text?  We have it exactly as it appears on the back cover on the image of the back cover.  So, what else can be gained by having it as text?

The only reasons I can think of having it as text is so that it can be read when the scan is either low-res or is difficult or impossible to scan in a readable manner, or to allow searching.  By including a lot of extra or special characters in it, searching becomes difficult or impossible.  And adding these extra characters makes it quite difficult to read.  So, these efforts to make it match exactly are defeating the very benefits of having the text.
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Then we must duplicate all "carriage returns" exactly as they are on the back cover!

And indents and line spacing, etc., etc., etc........

These all have ascii code representations just like a hyphen.

Exact either means exact or it doesn't.


We can not duplicate line spacing...but you already knew that.

Indents, I already duplicate those when I enter an overview...but the program is capable of duplicating those.

Line breaks, are a different story.  If it is a forced line break, one that is made at the end of a sentence or paragraph, I enter those.  I do not, however, enter automatic line breaks that are caused by the size of the field the text is being entered into.  Even if I did enter carriage returns where they are on the back cover, the layout each individual person is using could forece even more so it is not really an issue.

Text, on the other hand, is not changed based on the size of the field it is being entered into.  If there is a hyphen on the case, per the rules, there has to be a hypen in the profile.  If you want to leave it out, then you have to allow other people to correct typos or spelling errors as both cases involve changing the data that is being entered.
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Text, on the other hand, is not changed based on the size of the field it is being entered into. 


But text is in fact being altered based on the size of the field it is being entered into, in this case.  If the field on the back of the case had been slightly wider, this word would not have been hyphenated.

Hyphenating a word in DVDP in the middle of a line which is not a normally hyphenated word is just stupid.

You have to allow people to use their intelligence to interpret the fact that the hyphen on the case is only there because the word is split between two separate lines on the case.  It is not part of the word if it appears on a single line.

This has nothing to do with correcting spelling errors or typos.
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If the hyphen would not be there if it wasn't the end of the line, it should not be entered. Common sense. Period.
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