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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Location Unit credits are al ready used since July 17, 2005:
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Unit Crew September 22, 2005 Thanks Giga, I had forgotten about that and missed it in the rules... One of the acceptable sound credits is: 'Location Sound Mixer'. If I were being literal, which I am not, doesn't that imply that other 'location' crew are allowed? Kinda blows the whole, "unit crew have always been excluded," argument right out of the water.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Are we going to play testosterone contest here.  My original Forum sign up was March 2001...well la de da for me.  Sorry, unicus I just couldn't resist. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
One of the acceptable sound credits is: 'Location Sound Mixer'. A "Production Sound Mixer" is always on location together with the person who handles the boom stick. They either work inside a studio or outside somewhere, just like the art directors. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't see any reference to Location Sound Mixer in our Crew data, therefore the answer is NO. And I have left themn out intentionally before because they don't ma5tch up with our jobs.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I don't see any reference to Location Sound Mixer in our Crew data, therefore the answer is NO. And I have left themn out intentionally before because they don't ma5tch up with our jobs.
Skip Look again. It is the third one down in the 'credited as' column for 'Production Sound Mixer'. I will admit that I had missed it myself. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's new...cool.
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
It is the third one down in the 'credited as' column for 'Production Sound Mixer'. I will admit that I had missed it myself. Interesting. I'd never noticed that either. When updating crew credits for a profile each of Sound categories uses some space in the dialog box to list the variants that are allowed (the content of the Crew Rules Credited As column). Location Sound Mixer isn't listed in the dialog...not that that matters...the Rules page would trump the hardwired dialog box. (But having the options listed in the dialog box is convenient as it saves jumping back and forth to the browser or pulling out my wallet-sized DVDp rules card ) Not that this pot needs stirring but what does Location mean? Does it mean the literal phrase Location Sound Mixer (which i don't recall seeing) equals Production Sound Mixer? Or does it mean any Sound Mixer listed under a heading Insert-Geographical-Name Unit? If we are voting i'd prefer ignoring unit crews altogether and would like the Rules to say that. I'm OK with Special Edition crews though, as they are often the major distinguishing feature between DVD releases. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Not that this pot needs stirring but what does Location mean? Does it mean the literal phrase Location Sound Mixer (which i don't recall seeing) equals Production Sound Mixer? Or does it mean any Sound Mixer listed under a heading Insert-Geographical-Name Unit? Since it is under the 'credited as' column, for me, it means an actual credit of 'Location Sound Mixer'. Other people might interpret it differently though. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No we still aren't doing Location or Units tweeter...someday maybe. We have to wait and see.
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: [...] Quote:
If we are voting i'd prefer ignoring unit crews altogether and would like the Rules to say that. I'm OK with Special Edition crews though, as they are often the major distinguishing feature between DVD releases. Yep, exactly!  | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 524 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I read the rules, none of the Unit crew should be included. The rules state "For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column. If someone is not credited with one of these roles, do not include them in the Crew section."
That seems pretty clear to me. If I am missing something in the discussion, which is probable, let me know.
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | The fact that the column for "Incorrect Roles" mentions Unit roles for some crew types but not others infers, to some, that where it isn't explicitly excluded Unit roles that match the "Film Credits to Include" column should be allowed.
A blanket statement in the Rules about Unit roles would settle the issue.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | <shakes haed>   Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gerri Cole: Quote:
As I read the rules, none of the Unit crew should be included. The rules state "For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column. If someone is not credited with one of these roles, do not include them in the Crew section."
That seems pretty clear to me. If I am missing something in the discussion, which is probable, let me know.
-Gerri You are missing a small distinction. Sometimes, people are listed under a heading, as in the post that started this discussion. What I mean is, they are listed with a role that is in the 'Film Credits to Include' column, but are listed under a section heading. As an example: Special Edition Jon Smith Cinematographer James Walton Art Director Sam Jones Sound Mixer All the roles, on their own, are valid profiler credits. So the question is, does the fact that they are listed under a heading mean they can not be entered into profiler? I hope that made sense. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't have the time to check the credits, but doesn't some of these "Special Editions" have a completely different copyright date then the original version. I think the Star Wars Special Editions all have a new copyright of 1997.
So wouldn't that mean that they are completely new versions of the film and that those that are credited in the "Special Edition" credits section should be credited because they changed the original version into something new and different? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Gerri Cole:
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As I read the rules, none of the Unit crew should be included. The rules state "For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Film Credits to Include" column. If someone is not credited with one of these roles, do not include them in the Crew section."
That seems pretty clear to me. If I am missing something in the discussion, which is probable, let me know.
-Gerri
You are missing a small distinction. Sometimes, people are listed under a heading, as in the post that started this discussion.
What I mean is, they are listed with a role that is in the 'Film Credits to Include' column, but are listed under a section heading. As an example:
Special Edition
Jon Smith Cinematographer
James Walton Art Director
Sam Jones Sound Mixer
All the roles, on their own, are valid profiler credits. So the question is, does the fact that they are listed under a heading mean they can not be entered into profiler?
I hope that made sense. Actually, the situation that started this thread had to do with "Unit" credits, so the example that should be used is: New York Unit Jon Smith Cinematographer James Walton Art Director Sam Jones Sound Mixer Special Edition and Restoration Crews should be a separate question. | | | | Hal |
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