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20th Century Fox Home Entertainment vs. Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I don't care what we have always done or whether that's even true or not. We have a new field and we should consider its content.

If indeed (as T!M and Unicus69 suggest) we want to capture the distributor in the literal way, then that's fine. If (like, for example, m.cellophane) we would like to capture the DVD producer/label, but feel compelled by the current field name to do something else, then that's an entirely different matter.

We are still in Beta. If necessary, Ken can still change the field name without causing a lot of hassle. I have made my preference clear. You (the general one, not skipnet50) should take a moment to consider what YOUR preference is and not blindly draw conclusions from a field name that may have been chosen without giving it much thought.

That's not to critize Ken, btw. I colloquially refer to companies like Criterion as DVD distributor myself, even if technically they are not.


Au contraire, Mathias. The matter was given very careful thought. Choosing your label, can in and of itself be very problematic in and of itself. let's pick a relatively simple one which is the "label" and why.

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And it can get far more complex than this.

Skip
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Billy Video
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We are still in Beta. If necessary, Ken can still change the field name without causing a lot of hassle. I have made my preference clear. You (the general one, not skipnet50) should take a moment to consider what YOUR preference is and not blindly draw conclusions from a field name that may have been chosen without giving it much thought.

That's not to critize Ken, btw. I colloquially refer to companies like Criterion as DVD distributor myself, even if technically they are not.

I would certainly welcome a change of this field from Media Distributor to Media Label or some other name that would let us track the brand. Criterion is a good example of a line that I believe many would like to track as one group, regardless of who they use as their distributor at any given moment.

Quoting Skipnet50:
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Au contraire, Mathias. The matter was given very careful thought.

Again, as Matthias said, this is not to criticize Ken, but you have no way to know what sort of thought went into the creation of this new field. Many in the forum have called for a distributor when in reality they most likely meant label name. He's given us what we asked for in a literal sense, but now that we see some of the pitfalls, it's not too late to refine our request for this data. It really would be a quick fix. We've already seen Ratings Details get a makeover from its original state.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Quoting goodguy:
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We are still in Beta. If necessary, Ken can still change the field name without causing a lot of hassle. I have made my preference clear. You (the general one, not skipnet50) should take a moment to consider what YOUR preference is and not blindly draw conclusions from a field name that may have been chosen without giving it much thought.

That's not to critize Ken, btw. I colloquially refer to companies like Criterion as DVD distributor myself, even if technically they are not.

I would certainly welcome a change of this field from Media Distributor to Media Label or some other name that would let us track the brand. Criterion is a good example of a line that I believe many would like to track as one group, regardless of who they use as their distributor at any given moment.

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Au contraire, Mathias. The matter was given very careful thought.

Again, as Matthias said, this is not to criticize Ken, but you have no way to know what sort of thought went into the creation of this new field. Many in the forum have called for a distributor when in reality they most likely meant label name. He's given us what we asked for in a literal sense, but now that we see some of the pitfalls, it's not too late to refine our request for this data. It really would be a quick fix. We've already seen Ratings Details get a makeover from its original state.


I would have no problem with a new field for label. But it is problematic as i noted James. You can answer the question I posed...if you can and like I said that is an easy one, they can be a WHOILE lot more complicated. How do YOU know who the label is?

Skip
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Billy Video
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I would certainly welcome a change of this field from Media Distributor to Media Label or some other name that would let us track the brand. Criterion is a good example of a line that I believe many would like to track as one group, regardless of who they use as their distributor at any given moment.

I would want to track companies, not brands or labels. For example, Criterion is a company, Eclipse is a label. In Germany, Kinowelt is a company, Arthaus is a label.
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I've added a contribution filter to change "20th Century Fox Home Entertainment" to "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment"
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I've added a contribution filter to change "20th Century Fox Home Entertainment" to "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment"



unofficially speaking for the 54 people who voted for that option let me say 
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If indeed (as T!M and Unicus69 suggest) we want to capture the distributor in the literal way, then that's fine. If (like, for example, m.cellophane) we would like to capture the DVD producer/label, but feel compelled by the current field name to do something else, then that's an entirely different matter.
(...)


Believe me, it isn't what I want to capture either.  It is simply what the rules call for.  My preference would be for a second field to be added so that we could track the DVD Production company as well as the distributor.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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I've added a contribution filter to change "20th Century Fox Home Entertainment" to "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment"


You da man Ken. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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I've added a contribution filter to change "20th Century Fox Home Entertainment" to "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment"


Many Thanks 
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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I've added a contribution filter to change "20th Century Fox Home Entertainment" to "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment"

Awesome. 
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Many thanks Ken, but I'm not too clear on that means - have all profiles automatically been changed, or if anyone contributes "20th" is it automatically changed to "Twentieth"? Or something else?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributortweeter
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I just submitted a change where my Distributor field had "20th..." in it... moved as is from the studios.

I submitted it and it showed me submitting "Twentieth..." overwriting "20th...".

I proceeded with the submission, linking to Ken's message above so Skip wouldn't yell at me. 
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If indeed (as T!M and Unicus69 suggest) we want to capture the distributor in the literal way, then that's fine. If (like, for example, m.cellophane) we would like to capture the DVD producer/label, but feel compelled by the current field name to do something else, then that's an entirely different matter.
(...)


Believe me, it isn't what I want to capture either.  It is simply what the rules call for.  My preference would be for a second field to be added so that we could track the DVD Production company as well as the distributor.

you mean "Media Publisher", don't you? Because "Media Production Company" is something totally different
regards, Mad  - 


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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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I've added a contribution filter to change "20th Century Fox Home Entertainment" to "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment"


I doesn't seem to have fixed contributions that were previously submitted, are now approved but not released.
Hal
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I've added a contribution filter to change "20th Century Fox Home Entertainment" to "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment"

I don't need that but thanks anyway.
Martin Zuidervliet

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I've added a contribution filter to change "20th Century Fox Home Entertainment" to "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment"

Thank you so much for settling this! I've had to spend quite some time on the matter, with Skip managing to swing quite a few "red zingers" my way (even on my 100% factual contribution notes!), but hey: now that the result is that we've officially established ONE universal name for this distributor - the correct one, even! - it's all been more than worth it.
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