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Does this result in a "producer" credit?
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Simple question: does this get Mr. Koch a "producer" credit? I've used 'Airplane!' as an example, but I've run into various similar cases as well. This is how the film starts:





To be clear: this is Mr. Koch's only credit: a bit further on, there's a regular "producer" credit for Jon Davison, and three "executive producer" credits. Some 'Airplane!'-profiles in the database do have him listed as producer, others don't.
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Personally, I don't add these credits. It looks more like he is the owner of one of the production companies.
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Personally, I don't add these credits. It looks more like he is the owner of one of the production companies.

I actually agree - I just wanted to see how others felt. Interestingly, sequel 'Airplane II' still has the same "a HOWARD W. KOCH production" banner, but unlike in the first one, here he DOES also get a regular producer credit, right where Jon Davison's credit was in the first one. So yes, I'm also inclined just to track actual producer credits, and not these "a XXX production" banners.
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I also see similar credits used by importers.  AIP would do this when they simply imported a foreign release.  I tend to just leave it alone.
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This is the first one I've seen where the guy credited didn't also have a "normal" producer credit.

I'd say leave it off, but would probably be tempted to google the name and see if any companies come up or just the person. If you can only find the person and they have their own page, see if they have a producer credit for the film on there (and hope it's not just a link to imdb). Also see if the movie has an offical page with credits.

I could make an argument for including it (and probably just did), but for some reason I feel it is wrong and shouldn't be included. If a credit can be found on a reputable site, like an offical site, then it should probably be included with proper documentation. Just from the credits as shown, not so much.
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Credits like this usually mean that the film was produced by his production company.  That does not, however, mean that he was in charge of the production...which is probably why he did not get a producer credit.  While IMDb does list him as producer, it is not listed as one of his films at AMC.

I would leave him out.
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Quoting T!M:
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Simple question: does this get Mr. Koch a "producer" credit? I've used 'Airplane!' as an example, but I've run into various similar cases as well. This is how the film starts:





To be clear: this is Mr. Koch's only credit: a bit further on, there's a regular "producer" credit for Jon Davison, and three "executive producer" credits. Some 'Airplane!'-profiles in the database do have him listed as producer, others don't.

This has been covered many times, Tim, including once by Terry within the last two weeks. The name changes but there is no difference between a Howard Koch Production and a Walt Disney Production, they get NO credit.

If you want to credit him somehow do it locally, Tim. How would you credit him as Executive Producer or producer and how would you support that.

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I agree, he wouldn't get a Producer credit unless he's credited somewhere else in the film credits as such.

I remember removing him from an Airplane! profile years ago on here, just from that capture in the film.
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I also would say he gets no credit

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would his company be listed in the Studios or Media Companies?
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would his company be listed in the Studios or Media Companies?

Consequently yes, and it would be spelled "Howard W. Koch". (or maybe "Howard W. Koch Productions"?)
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There is NO indication that it is a Production Company, once again making assumptions that are not supported by the data. There is NO credit AT ALL.

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Quoting Kobeck:
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would his company be listed in the Studios or Media Companies?

I would not enter it as a company.  While I do know that he formed his own production company, I can find nothing that indicates what the name of that company is.
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There is NO indication that it is a Production Company, once again making assumptions that are not supported by the data. There is NO credit AT ALL.

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I also agree to not enter this as a producer's credit and alone from such a credit entry I also wouldn't enter it as a production company. But what if there's evidence in the web that there exists a company that was involved in producing this movie (wikipedia, company homepages etc.)... are these acceptable sources for a studio entry if the studio is not namely listed in the movie credits?
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I would say NO to that, Mako. There is no assurance that anything on the web has accuracy. In this case wec are talking about a film which was made many years ago. So we are dealing with relatively new data on the web, generated by people who never had any involvement in the production of any film and trying to call it accurate. Now it MAY be though not true in this case, that the copyright data involved may list for Walt Disney Productions, when the "credit" reads A Walt Disney Production, then you have a different story. Remember we use the film data whenever possible, and we should never use assumptions from anywhere that cannot be backed up by the film data, not unlike finding an (uncredited) listing for Clint Eastwood and providing a time stamp from the FILM to support the claim.

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Everyone here says no (and I agree) - but where are the 6 that voted yes!!?? What's their justification?
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