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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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I don't take part of the conversation about documentation, but I do know for a fact that sometimes DVDP doesn't recognize the layer info correctly.

Based on my experiences it doesn't analyze layer info at all. It only guesses that if the disc has more than 4.7GB of data it's DL and if less, it has to be SL. In first case you have to assume that the guess is correct, because it's pretty hard to fit more than 4.7GB to a SL disc, but I've seen several cases where disk has 4GBs of data and it is actually a DL. DVDP has guessed all these incorrectly as SL. That's why I use proper third party software to analyze layer info. Just my two cents...
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Quoting paulb_99:
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I have explained the difference between discID and the Layer. We cannot edit the Disc ID even IF I were to find out that it was wrong, and I have enough tools here to do that, the same is NOT true of Layer tick box, that can be manually modified.


While i understand the need for documentation, i find it very unlikely someone would use dvd-profiler for disd-id and then untick or tick the checkbox while profiler already added this info. Why would someone do that if profiler already fills it in? It doesn't make sense, you really suspect people would willingly add incorrect info? Sorry, but i think there has of be some level of trust betweenusers.

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I agree, paul but as I have said I can't trust James. I would very much like to but I have seen him do too much, that is simply incredible. All he had to do was add a couple of words, which he eventually did.

Yes, James I do moniitor them closely, many times per day do i look at my votes, particularly my No votes, because I want to be able to Vote Yes OR see the user withdraw the Contribution and I think you know the kind of Contribution that is...not yours. Yours i simply want to be able to vote Yes and i watch very closely. And not because it's you, I just want to be able to vote Yes as soon as Ihve the correction...whatever it is.

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Quoting Kulju:
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I don't take part of the conversation about documentation, but I do know for a fact that sometimes DVDP doesn't recognize the layer info correctly.

Based on my experiences it doesn't analyze layer info at all. It only guesses that if the disc has more than 4.7GB of data it's DL and if less, it has to be SL. In first case you have to assume that the guess is correct, because it's pretty hard to fit more than 4.7GB to a SL disc, but I've seen several cases where disk has 4GBs of data and it is actually a DL. DVDP has guessed all these incorrectly as SL. That's why I use proper third party software to analyze layer info. Just my two cents...

Thanks for that tidbit, Kulju. I'll watch for that and see if that is what I have seen.

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Yes, James I do moniitor them closely, many times per day do i look at my votes, particularly my No votes, because I want to be able to Vote Yes OR see the user withdraw the Contribution and I think you know the kind of Contribution that is...not yours. Yours i simply want to be able to vote Yes and i watch very closely. And not because it's you, I just want to be able to vote Yes as soon as Ihve the correction...whatever it is.

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Quoting m.cellophane:
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This case was a good example, I initially voted No and simply requested verification, after 36 hours I added a bit of sarcasm, hoping that would grab his attention, after another day of ignoring the request, I blasted him, that finally got response.

You were monitoring this contribution much more closely than I was. The first time I saw the 'no' votes was today.

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His first response was apparently to come cry about it here, then he finally edited his notes and i was able to immediately vote Yes, and please note that I did vote YES, I did not change my vote neutral as I have pointed out that James has done once his issue gets addressed.

I posted here after I edited the notes to point out that the program does this automatically.

I have also been changing my 'no' votes to 'yes' lately (after you fix the problems) to see if that would get you to stop blasting me in your contribution notes. Sadly, you've continued to do so, not only about me but about others.

James:

I have noticed this recently and I appreciate it. My response is dependent on my view of your notes or someone else's depending on what you are voting on. But that isn't necessary to discuss here.

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Indeed it does, and I've never seen it falsely recognize the layers of a disc yet.

Actually, if you enter a new profile by Disc ID, the program does get it wrong when it ciopies the Disc ID to the Disc Information. Only when you go to "Discs" and "Set" the Disc ID again, it gets right.
Since I noticed this, I started checking with Nero Infotool (and give the source in the contribution notes).
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Actually, if you enter a new profile by Disc ID, the program does get it wrong when it ciopies the Disc ID to the Disc Information. Only when you go to "Discs" and "Set" the Disc ID again, it gets right.
Since I noticed this, I started checking with Nero Infotool (and give the source in the contribution notes).


True, but I think that's more of a bug that Ken needs to correct.
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I really don't see what the big deal is here.

You pop a disc in, DVDP reads it and enters both the Disc ID and the n° of layers and you submit that info.

In my opinion, that doesn't need much clarification as it's an automated process and I'll always vote yes on such contributions.
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Quoting Kulju:
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I don't take part of the conversation about documentation, but I do know for a fact that sometimes DVDP doesn't recognize the layer info correctly.

Based on my experiences it doesn't analyze layer info at all. It only guesses that if the disc has more than 4.7GB of data it's DL and if less, it has to be SL. In first case you have to assume that the guess is correct, because it's pretty hard to fit more than 4.7GB to a SL disc, but I've seen several cases where disk has 4GBs of data and it is actually a DL. DVDP has guessed all these incorrectly as SL. That's why I use proper third party software to analyze layer info. Just my two cents...


I have to agree here... I had a dvd once where DVDP guessed SL on data size but other programs (e.g. Nero InfoTool) got it as DL.
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I have to agree here... I had a dvd once where DVDP guessed SL on data size but other programs (e.g. Nero InfoTool) got it as DL.


Was it possibly a Warner Blu-ray? I own several where the actual disc is a dual-layer which you can visually verify, but the actual data is less than 25gb and it's all only pressed on the first layer. In those cases, the Profiler program will read the discs as single-layered, even though physically they're dual-layers.
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Maybe the program could add the actual data size instead, I don't see much point in tracking layer info anymore...
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Quoting Taro:
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I really don't see what the big deal is here.

You pop a disc in, DVDP reads it and enters both the Disc ID and the n° of layers and you submit that info.

In my opinion, that doesn't need much clarification as it's an automated process and I'll always vote yes on such contributions.

Well, Taro as you can see there is a problem, I had discovered it but hadn't isolated it's origin. There seems to be not only verification of it from several sources but also a probable explanation as to the cause. So, I'll continue using my tools to verify the Layers and i will continue to expect to see some sort of comment as to the source of the data for a field which is user editable. If you don't wish to provide such information then I will have to vote No, citing unverified data.

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Quoting Jubal:
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If you don't wish to provide such information then I will have to vote No, citing unverified data.

And I'd expect such ridiculous votes to be swiftly ignored by the sceeners.
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Of course you would, Tim, you are the King of Poor Documentation.

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Quoting Jubal:
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I really don't see what the big deal is here.

You pop a disc in, DVDP reads it and enters both the Disc ID and the n° of layers and you submit that info.

In my opinion, that doesn't need much clarification as it's an automated process and I'll always vote yes on such contributions.

Well, Taro as you can see there is a problem, I had discovered it but hadn't isolated it's origin. There seems to be not only verification of it from several sources but also a probable explanation as to the cause. So, I'll continue using my tools to verify the Layers and i will continue to expect to see some sort of comment as to the source of the data for a field which is user editable. If you don't wish to provide such information then I will have to vote No, citing unverified data.

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If the results of DVDP are unreliable, then that's a different story all together. I always departed from the idea that the results in DVDP were correct. Going by what I've now read in this thread, this isn't always the case and from now on, I'll also use 3rd party software to verify.
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, amigo

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