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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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If we are to follow the rules, and there are exceptions to those rules, then an addendum is a must.

New contributors, or those who do not read the forums, would, in this case, follow the rules as written. They would not know that Ken has made an exception to those rules.

"Common sense" has been debated endlessly (or so it seems ) as being subjective. A short note of clarification in the rules, in my opinion, the best way to go.


You said it better than I could have. 

Is it really that big of a deal to add "if there are no credits listed, you may enter them from the official site with notes."?

It's not the end of the world. 

It is, Alien, when somebody decides that they don't want to understand it and create more trouble.

I am not saying you are wrong Karsten and Alien, butit is something which I have seen happen way too many times.

Skip
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Sure, but that will always be the case, either with old rules or new ones.
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Well according to you, Skip, the rules are crystal clear, so why would there be a problem? 
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How about something like this added to the Rule:  "Authoritative crew listings for films lacking onscreen crew credits may be approved by Invelos for submission on a case-by-case basis."

Then a divider could be added to the approved crew with an appropriate note.  E.g. "Uncredited Crew approved for submission by Invelos 1/7/10."

Just a thunk.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Alien:

I believe that the Rules are clear 98% of the time. I NEVER have a problem with data entry, yet you and others claim that you don't get it, and when i try to explain something all you want to do is argue about it. So, it never causes me any grief at all in any way, yet you claim otherwise, what does that tell me, do you suppose. Fact the Riles have never caused me any problem in data entry

Skip
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I'm sorry Skip, you are 100% correct.

It makes no sense for rule changes and additions that are made in the forum to make their way to the actual rules for 499,000 people that don't post here. No sense at all.

It's completely logical to have variations on the rules buried in threads so deep that even people participating in those threads can't find them.

Yes, not updating the rules for changes and additions and not understanding why people start threads because of exceptions to the rules (that are only exceptions because of the lack of updates) makes complete and total sense.

Wow. Just... wow.       
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
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It is, Alien, when somebody decides that they don't want to understand it and create more trouble.

Then the contribution would most likely be either A) Voted down or B) Declined.

User then either gives up or learns the correct way.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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Skip,

I don't really see what your personal ability to understand the Rules has to do with this.

The current Rules prohibit the entry of Crew for this release.  I'm sure you would agree.

Ken has now stated that Crew can be entered for this release, and presumably, others like it.

The only way people will know to do this going forward (regardless of the small number involved), is to actually put it in the Rules.

Almost any existing or new Rule will be open to the type of abuse that you refer to.  I don't think that possibility should be an excuse for not clarifying/updating the Rules where we can so that everybody is made aware of Ken's decisions.
Hal
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I'm sorry Skip, you are 100% correct.

It makes no sense for rule changes and additions that are made in the forum to make their way to the actual rules for 499,000 people that don't post here. No sense at all.

It's completely logical to have variations on the rules buried in threads so deep that even people participating in those threads can't find them.

Yes, not updating the rules for changes and additions and not understanding why people start threads because of exceptions to the rules (that are only exceptions because of the lack of updates) makes complete and total sense.

Wow. Just... wow.       


It boggles the mind, doesn't it?
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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It makes perfect sense to rewrite the rule. Two cases of creditless movies have already been established. It's rare, sure, but it is shown to happen, thus it's needed for future cases.

To make a rule in a thread, but not update the rules page is what does not make any sense.

I agree.  While we have only seen two, there is no guarantee that there won't be more.  There is a simple fix that would solve this:

"Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.  If the film does not have any credits, crew credits may be taken from the official film site.  Make note of this in your contribution notes."
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I'm sorry Skip, you are 100% correct.

It makes no sense for rule changes and additions that are made in the forum to make their way to the actual rules for 499,000 people that don't post here. No sense at all.

It's completely logical to have variations on the rules buried in threads so deep that even people participating in those threads can't find them.

Yes, not updating the rules for changes and additions and not understanding why people start threads because of exceptions to the rules (that are only exceptions because of the lack of updates) makes complete and total sense.

Wow. Just... wow.       


It boggles the mind, doesn't it?

Yes, Antares, you do boggle one's mind.

Skip
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"Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.  If the film does not have any credits, crew credits may be taken from the official film site.  Make note of this in your contribution notes."


BAM! Rule written. Just copy and paste over.   
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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It makes perfect sense to rewrite the rule. Two cases of creditless movies have already been established. It's rare, sure, but it is shown to happen, thus it's needed for future cases.

To make a rule in a thread, but not update the rules page is what does not make any sense.

I agree.  While we have only seen two, there is no guarantee that there won't be more.  There is a simple fix that would solve this:

"Take Crew Credits from the film credits only; list names exactly as they are in the credits. Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.  If the film does not have any credits, crew credits may be taken from the official film site.  Make note of this in your contribution notes."


This is an excellent, simple way to solve this situation and hope that Ken will implement it. A big greenie for you!
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I'm sorry Skip, you are 100% correct.

It makes no sense for rule changes and additions that are made in the forum to make their way to the actual rules for 499,000 people that don't post here. No sense at all.

It's completely logical to have variations on the rules buried in threads so deep that even people participating in those threads can't find them.

Yes, not updating the rules for changes and additions and not understanding why people start threads because of exceptions to the rules (that are only exceptions because of the lack of updates) makes complete and total sense.

Wow. Just... wow.       


It boggles the mind, doesn't it?

Yes, Antares, you do boggle one's mind.

Skip



OOOOHHHHHHH!!! You got me, I... don't... think... I... can... go... on...

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I disagree, two out of 400,000 does not warrant such a ridiculous thing, alien. the odds are also very high that any attempt to write a Rule which allows for 2 out of 400,000 is highly likely to cause more trouble elsewhere, i ahve seebn it here too many times to count.

There are some things best left to case by case.

Skip

We either allow case by case exceptions and they can only be suggested by those contributing or we change the rules whenever there is a need to address a shortcoming.
I know it's more than 2, I suspect it's far more than that. There are 8 series of spooks so far and they will have lots of regional, format packaging and locality variations. Add to that the Nat geo titles and there are probably others. Spooks has been around for 8 years so really those who wrote the rules should really have considered this, luckily MadMartian has solved the problem. 
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Thank god im staying out of this $hite now.
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