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Nicole de Boer / Nicole deBoer / Nikki de Boer / Nikki deBoer Common Name?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
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Not exactly... it says...
list names exactly as they are in the credits. And I do list then exactly as they are in the credits. Yes there is an exception for all caps. But not an exception for all lower case... so you think that we have to in such occasions enter them in all lowercase in such situations... should I start voting no in such situations?

I have seen lots of credits in all lowercase.

I have seen credits that play with capitalization to be cute.

Are you really saying since they are not in all caps we must put them in the online as is in the credits.

If Ken wants that he can tell me. Until then I will continue to do it as I always have.
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With that I am done arguing with you Tim. As I said... I see what you are saying. I just see it as idealistic and far from realistic. Any change I do from what I am doing right now will be because Ken asked for it. Not because you (or any other normal user) asked for it.
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I see what you are saying. I just see it as idealistic and far from realistic.

I see it as following the rules - as I've just showed you. There really isn't anything more to it than that. Do I think the current situation is wonderful? No, I most certainly do not. But I am just stating what the rules say, and what Ken has publicly clarified later on, which is that the rules demand that names are entered "exactly as they are in the credits", and that additionally, the program is set up to protect your local database from unwanted capitalization changes coming down with profile updates.
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So you would have to vote yes to any cute capitalization used in the credits? Do you vote no when the credits are in a cute capitalization  in the credits... but the standard credits in the profile?

If 1 set of credits say Robert De Niro and another set says Robert de Niro... do you change your local and upload it as it is in the credits for each one?
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As I said... if Ken is that worried about match the credits for capitalization... let him say so and then I will do the extra step to be sure all the cute capitalization and such examples are in the database per his decision. I don't believe that is what he was saying in the rules. If he was saying that he can tell me so.
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So you would have to vote yes to any cute capitalization used in the credits?

I'm afraid so. Is there any specific example that you can show me?

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If 1 set of credits say Robert De Niro and another set says Robert de Niro... do you change your local and upload it as it is in the credits for each one?

I try to, yeah. Again: I certainly agree with you that the situation is not exactly ideal. It's not. It is, however, flat out what the rules tell us to do. While I don't like each and every rule and do certain things differently in my local database, when I contribute, I always try to follow the rules to the best of my ability. Even when it doesn't suit me, or causes me extra work. On the upside: so far, I haven't seen a "Robert de Niro" credit yet, so the problem may not be as big as you seem to think.

For the record, let me stress that I'm not trying to be annoying here. I'm not even sure that our wishes on the subject matter are really any different. I'm just pointing out what the rules say. But it's clear that there are severe problems with the way this is currently set up, and I'm hoping that those issues will be addressed.
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Can't think of them off hand (as many credits as I have done it is next to impossible t remember what is what on something like that. But I have seen stuff like all lower case. First name upper case last name lower case  Mixed cases to just look cute. What have you.

What I am going to do is PM/email if need be open a support ticket to find out if this is what Ken wants. And I will go from there.
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All points covered by others above, but to reiterate:
The CLT is not case-sensitive.  Also, DVD Profiler will not change the case of a cast member when accepting an update.  It does all cast member comparisons without case sensitivity as well.  It's also not possible to submit a contribution with a "Credited As" entry that varies only in case.

With all that being the case (no pun intended), there should be no reason to change your local case to match, for standard deviations such as "De Nero" or "de Nero".

The case-based ping-ponging can occur, but it amounts to nothing as the changes are not downloaded for those that already have that actor.

By the way, kudos to all on a polite, productive discussion!
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Thank You Ken... That is what I thought. There is no need to change the local to contribute. 
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Thanks Ken, but because all case changes affect the contribution, is there any chance you could add a note somewhere on the profile comparison screen reminding voters that case changes don't change the local profile? It seems quite a few people vote no because of this when there's no real need to.
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I agree with northbloke on that... I have seen my fair share of no votes because of case changes. A note on the comparison screen would be a great thing to add! 
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because all case changes affect the contribution, is there any chance you could add a note somewhere on the profile comparison screen reminding voters that case changes don't change the local profile? It seems quite a few people vote no because of this when there's no real need to.

That would indeed be very helpful, since I've found that this remains quite baffling to many users, most of which won't be aware of this particular forum thread or -post (let's say: 99.5%), and the rules actually say something else.

Additionally: such a note on the comparison screen would be nice, but actually having the profile comparison screen IGNORING capitalization differences would be even better.
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If Ken could work that out (not show a difference in case)... I believe that would be the best way to handle it! 
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The case-based ping-ponging can occur, but it amounts to nothing as the changes are not downloaded for those that already have that actor.

Unfortunately it does matter for all those who do not have that actor in their database yet when downloading the profile.

And once they have the uncommon capitalisation in their database no update can correct it except a manual correction of the name.

For those reasons I do prefer the common capitalisation of a name in all profiles over the as credited one.
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The thing is... Ken can't be wrong about what he wants for his online database.


Excuse me .... our online database. Like most people here I have paid for the app and contributed to the database, and that gives me the right to state how I think it should be populated, and given consideration to that. Ken should be driven by what the paid users want, not just his wants.

In this case, Ken is absolutely, utterly wrong.
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In your opinion... there is others that think he is right in this matter (as long as this is the only linking system we have). So no matter what he decides there will be people that disagree.

And I whole-heartedly believe it is his online database. All we paid for is a license to use the program. And the way I see it... we voluntarily put in our time to add to his database, As such we must do it per the way he wants it done. No different in how we must follow the rules on how to contribute the info that he wants added to the online. No different then he chooses what functions of the program is online vs. local only.
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