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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,847 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Just because someone says "added full cast and crew, taken as credited from the film credits", doesn't actually mean they did, does it? In fact: I've literally seen hundreds of contributions where those exact notes accompanied a batch of incorrect IMDb-mined data. What bothers me, is that "added full cast and crew, taken as credited from the film credits" hardly ever attracts any no-votes IMO, anyone proved to be falsifying contribution notes like this should be permanently banned from contributing. The only way to know that such a contribution is incorrect is to profile the DVD yourself, and if you have to go to all that trouble for every DVD you own what's the point of the on-line db? --------------- |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | If you spot one of these, please open a support ticket and link to the contribution. This kind of case gets one warning then a permanent ban. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
If you spot one of these, please open a support ticket and link to the contribution. This kind of case gets one warning then a permanent ban. I like it!  | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,309 |
| | Posted: | | | | Me too! | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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.... or writing their encyclopedia. How extensive are their contribution notes change nothing.
Totally agree on this one. An epic novel is absurd! 
Mine are short (15 lines max) and everything I've contributed was approved in the past. No need to write an epic novel to get the job done, the screeners aren't idiot and they have better thing to do than read 2 pages of contribution notes (like moderating the forum). |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
If you spot one of these, please open a support ticket and link to the contribution. This kind of case gets one warning then a permanent ban. Okay, I'll be doing that from now on. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kind of hard to do when you don't have the disc in your hand in the first place and only have them in your ordered/wishlist tag just to use the CLT for all the locality... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I include the results when there is room in the notes. It only takes a second to do so when you've actually already checked the CLT. On large cast lists and TV seasons, there is often no space for this info after describing other changes.
Although it is not required by the Rules, I think it's a reasonable thing to do.
As far as trust goes, I am sorry to say that I have seen more than just a few blatant falsehoods in contribution notes.  Absolutely agreed and I cannot and will not5 vote Yes to any user who does not include CLT results. Claiming that the CLT was cgecked is NOT documentation in any way. And it was proven some time back that in at least a couple of instances a user that made such a claim was not correct. i Cannot imagine why any user would be unwilling to provide complete and useful notes to his fellow users. sKIP | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
The difference, which I know you realize [...] No, there's no difference. Someone can lie about where he got the credits from, someone can lie about whether he has used the CLT, and someone can simply invent CLT numbers. You can never be sure of anything, and so there's always going to be a certain level of trust involved. I'm sure that users who are consistently lying about these matters will get exposed at some point, but it's no reason to require an unrealistic amount of pretty pointless work from every other well-meaning, hard-working contributor. |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Absolutely agreed and I cannot and will not5 vote Yes to any user who does not include CLT results. Rules: "If a user is following the Contribution Rules and his/her data is accurate, and the contribution replaces data which is inaccurate or violates these Contribution Rules, a "No" vote is considered an abuse of the voting privilege and should be avoided when possible." Yet you do so consistently. Quote:
Claiming that the CLT was cgecked is NOT documentation in any way. Yet Invelos doesn't require more than that. Quote:
And it was proven some time back that in at least a couple of instances a user that made such a claim was not correct. There will always be honest mistakes. You make 'em, I make 'em, everybody else makes 'em. But since you're so adamant about this claim, can you provide a link to when this "was proven some time back"? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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The difference, which I know you realize [...]
No, there's no difference. There is a difference. The fact that you don't wish to see or admit it, doesn't mean there is no difference. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
There is a difference. No, there's not. The fact that you don't wish to see or admit that, doesn't mean there is. I wonder how many pages we can keep that going - I'm game!  | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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There is a difference.
No, there's not. The fact that you don't wish to see or admit that, doesn't mean there is.
I wonder how many pages we can keep that going - I'm game! No, thanks. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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Absolutely agreed and I cannot and will not5 vote Yes to any user who does not include CLT results.
Rules: "If a user is following the Contribution Rules and his/her data is accurate, and the contribution replaces data which is inaccurate or violates these Contribution Rules, a "No" vote is considered an abuse of the voting privilege and should be avoided when possible."
In Prof. Kingsfield's defense he never said he would vote NO. He just stated he wouldn't vote YES. There is nothing wrong with that. As long as he doesn't vote or votes neutral he is not breaking any rule. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I consider failure to list CLT results to be a violation of The Rules, as claiming that you did is neither complete nor are they useful notes. If you won't i will ALWAYS vote NO. Such lame documentation is simply unacceptable when the data is so available and easy to enter.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
In Prof. Kingsfield's defense he never said he would vote NO. He just stated he wouldn't vote YES. There is nothing wrong with that. As long as he doesn't vote or votes neutral he is not breaking any rule. But he does vote no citing exactly this as a reason. His no-vote on a currently pending contribution of mine (and hundreds before it): "Without CLT results I cannot vote Yes". |
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