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Is "Already submitted" valid reason to vote "No"??
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
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Quoting Ken Cole:
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To be clear:

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Are you serious that during the time screeners accept/decline the data contributed, the data isn't compared against the accepted data???


The above is not correct.  Submitters, screeners, and voters always see the latest accepted data.

That's what I thought, otherwise it would have sounded insane.
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I don't know how the intefrace is set up at the screeners end obviously, nor do i consider it particularly relevant.


How can you say that it's not relevant Every day I find it a bit more harder to believe that you have been payed for working with databases. Do you really mean that it doesn't matter if you do the work once or ten times??? Same work??

Summa summarum:
Does it make any sence to contribute same data, No.
If you do it, does it add the work load for screeners, No.
Does it remove data for already accepted contributions, No.
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Ummm yeah, at least every week, sometimes every day. Right now we have FOUR Contributions for The princess and The frof and 2 of them I had to vote No on for duplication. I bet we get several more.

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Because non of 'em hasn't been approved yet. When screeners approve the first one and go to next one, they cannot see the identical fields anymore. Similar as our client interface.
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I'm afraid so. I've seen it happen fairly recently.

How is that possible?
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Thatnks for the reply Ken.

Speaking for myself, unless the second contribution is adding more data than the first, I will always vote no, with the notes, "If approved, this contribution will remove data being added by a pending contribution."


In whole I agree, but just out of conversation,

If first contribution adds fields
a,b,c
and second a & b, how does that remove anything?

I guess I should have been more clear...in your example, I would vote 'no' with the notes, 'More complete contribution pending'.  What I was originally refering to was what Corne mentioned.  One contribution adds complete cast/crew and the second adds minimal cast and crew.
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Thatnks for the reply Ken.

Speaking for myself, unless the second contribution is adding more data than the first, I will always vote no, with the notes, "If approved, this contribution will remove data being added by a pending contribution."


In whole I agree, but just out of conversation,

If first contribution adds fields
a,b,c
and second a & b, how does that remove anything?

I guess I should have been more clear...in your example, I would vote 'no' with the notes, 'More complete contribution pending'.  What I was originally refering to was what Corne mentioned.  One contribution adds complete cast/crew and the second adds minimal cast and crew.


Correct. In that case the additions in the first contribution will get undone by the second contribution.
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One contribution adds complete cast/crew and the second adds minimal cast and crew.

That makes sence, but how do you "weight" the contributions? For example: Another contribution has 15-20 correct entries, but minimal Cast & Crew. The other one has 2 correct entries, but with complete Cast & Crew. No incorrect entries on neather one. I would feel oblicated to vote "yes" to both of 'em and let the screeners to do their work. Do we KNOW that they cannot do partial acceptions? I don't.

Another example: First contribution has six correct entries. Second one has also six correct entries. Three of entries are same. No Cast or Crew on eather one... Do we have table in somewhere which says which fields are more important than the others? I would vote "yes" again to both of 'em.
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I'm afraid so. I've seen it happen fairly recently.

How is that possible?


I don't know. It's possible that there's a small glitch somewhere if Ken's saying it shouldn't happen but I have seen it on more than one occasion.
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Correct. In that case the additions in the first contribution will get undone by the second contribution.

Again, if you assume that screeners cannot exclude Cast & Crew when they approve profiles. Which I by the way think that they can do.
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I don't know. It's possible that there's a small glitch somewhere if Ken's saying it shouldn't happen but I have seen it on more than one occasion.

I think that the screeners can accept just parts of the contribution and they have made a human error. Only explanation that makes sence.
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Why and who are you arguing with, Kulju? ken provided the answer and so did the Rules, that should be that. End of subject, we don't know anything about the screener side of the equation, we can speculate all we want, but that means nothing. As for being able to selectively take parts of a contribution, Ken has repeatedly said that is not the way it works, For the screeners it is all or nothing. The only exception the Cover Art is separated from the data, thus data can be approved and art declined or vice versa. I have repeatedly said that if I were to design the database I would do it differently from Ken...now there's a surprise. I have seldom if ever seen two programmers produce the same solution for a problem. But I don't understand what you are going on about and what the apparent hostility is about.

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Correct. In that case the additions in the first contribution will get undone by the second contribution.

Again, if you assume that screeners cannot exclude Cast & Crew when they approve profiles. Which I by the way think that they can do.


I don't think they can exclude parts of the crew when they accept the contribution. Even if they could, how many contributions are there every day and how could they remember every contribution from Yesterday or the day before?

I would wait till the contribution got accepted or I would pm the contributor with my findings. If it's another section, like the video format section, Features section etc. it is perfectly fine to contribute.
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Why and who are you arguing with, Kulju?

I'm not arguing with anyone. It's called a conversation. I know it's unfamiliar concept for you
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ken provided the answer and so did the Rules, that should be that.

Yes, and I agreed, which you would know by know if you could read.
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End of subject,

And who gave you to say when I must stop having a conversation? If you don't like the subject, please leave Forum Moderator: Removed
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we don't know anything about the screener side of the equation, we can speculate all we want, but that means nothing. As for being able to selectively take parts of a contribution, Ken has repeatedly said that is not the way it works, For the screeners it is all or nothing.

Link please, I've never seen that.
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The only exception the Cover Art is separated from the data, thus data can be approved and art declined or vice versa.

We don't know that.
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I have repeatedly said that if I were to design the database I would do it differently from Ken...

I absolutely agree. It wouldn't be even close to this one.
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now there's a surprise. I have seldom if ever seen two programmers produce the same solution for a problem. But I don't understand what you are going on about and what the apparent hostility is about.

There was no hostility before you came in (again), just curiosity.

Am I still curious, yes.
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OK, I get it, I tried to help you with the answer, but because i did so that made you hostile. That sadly, explains much.

I'll not go further into your alleged discussion because there are too many inflammatory remarks for me to able answer in a civil manner and far too much BA. You have the answer from the rules and from ken, 'nuff said.

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Even if they could, how many contributions are there every day and how could they remember every contribution from Yesterday or the day before?

But they don't have to. Like Ken said every time they compare a contribution, they compare against last accepted profile.

I'm pretty sure that I've seen contributions combined. It's easier when your location have maybe 5-10max. active contributors. I have contributed a full audit except with minimal Cast & Crew and voted "yes" for another contribution which didn't have a lot of info that I contributed, but a complete Cast & Crew and when I have downloaded that profile all my data is there, except with more complete Cast & Crew. How is that possible?

Again, just out of curiosity. Not arguing with anyone.
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OK, I get it, I tried to help you with the answer, but because i did so that made you hostile.


The "answer" was given in second post and I got it. What happened after... at least you doesn't get it.
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