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To the discussion porn or erotic:
In DVDP for locality Germany (and Austria) I can choose unrated/not rated (Spio/JK od. ungeprüft) or Adult (Porno). But both can have the same description on cover: Strengstes Jugendverbot, Kein Verkauf und Jugendliche, ...
And both can just be sold to Adults. (So I don't know the difference in DVDP, just my personnel difference)

In German law there is very clear a difference between erotic and porn:
Porn is if you can see an erected penis, an opened pussy and combinations of this.
Erotic is all that shows less.


I've never seen Ilsa, so I also don't know if it is in regards to this a porn.
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Ilsa movies are sexploitation film from the 70s.  It's definitely not porno.

Amazon listing for Ilsa VHS

Wikipedia article on Ilsa
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Is there nudity on the cover? If yes, I would guess that's the reason why the screeners see it as Adult/Porno and not as unrated.
Never had this problem, so I've got no hint how to get it through as unrated. 

It can be submitted as unrated with an adult genre.  The confusion came in, at least I think this is where it came in, is that the German translation has 'porn' in place of 'adult'.  Forgive my ignorance, but isn't there a German word for 'adult' that could have been used instead? 
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What's wrong with marking the genre as "Adult"?

What's wrong??? It isn't a genre and it false, confusing and bring no sense like this. It's the exact why I've stop contributing... It's insulting and ridicule to place in the same category Naughty Teenage Asian Slut #58 and Exposed by exemple. I don't even use this for my adult films, but the real genre who is hardcore or softcore...

I agree with you.  I have created a custom category of "Mature" for films such as this, ie. Tokyo Decadence, In the Realm of the Senses, Story of O, etc.
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What's wrong??? It isn't a genre and it false, confusing and bring no sense like this. It's the exact why I've stop contributing... It's insulting and ridicule to place in the same category Naughty Teenage Asian Slut #58 and Exposed by exemple. I don't even use this for my adult films, but the real genre who is hardcore or softcore...

While it may not be a genre, I wouldn't say it is false.  Whether it be hardcore or softcore, it is still adult content isn't it?  Or am I missing something here? 
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It doesn't actually matter whether it's a genre or not. Consider it to be a just a marker, that DVDP uses to decide whether to show the profile (and in particular also the cover) in certain places. Could have been called "Shouldweshowthiseverywhere?".
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Now I recontributed the profile (by adding "Porno" to genre) and it was accepted... strange, because the sequels are not rated either and don't have "adult" (or "Porno") added. So are there new rules or noobs@work?    I mean, if a movie is not rated, the movie is automatically only for adult or am I wrong?
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Definitely wrong there... there is a lot of movies out there that is not rated but is not only for adults. Pretty much every movie made before the '60s were not rated... but that don't mean they are for adults only. There is a lot of direct to video releases that they don't bother to send in to be rated as well. Then there is a load of kid shows that carry Not Rated as well.

So Not Rated = Adults Only is far from true.
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Okay, then the law in America is another. In Germany every movie, which has been not rated, is automatically indexed by law and for adults only, no matter what kind of movie it is.
But still the question, why the other contributions were accepted...
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Okay, then the law in America is another. In Germany every movie, which has been not rated, is automatically indexed by law and for adults only, no matter what kind of movie it is.
But still the question, why the other contributions were accepted...

From a practical point of view, I find that hard to believe.  That means every movie ever made that is available in Germany has been rated or it's indexed???
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Okay, then the law in America is another. In Germany every movie, which has been not rated, is automatically indexed by law and for adults only, no matter what kind of movie it is.
But still the question, why the other contributions were accepted...


Whether we like it or not... bad data does get into the database. Sometimes by accident. Where the voters and screeners don't catch the problem. Sometimes on purpose as Invelos has stated that if there is a small thing wrong they will let it go through anyway if it is part of a much bigger correct contribution.
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I find that hard to believe.  That means every movie ever made that is available in Germany has been rated or it's indexed???

Why? It's how it is in my province. Everything is reviewed by the Office of Cinema and get a rating. Even if NR is included in the program for the Québec locality it isn't used here.

You can't buy anything here at a physical place if one of those stickers aren't present on the dvd package. If all the films, dvd and VHS tape are reviewed here, I don't see why it would impossible somewhere else.

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Whether we like it or not... bad data does get into the database.

Bad data get into the program because the genre table is absolutly wrong. This isn't more complicated than that like it or not...

Wow, that is amazing.  The reason why I said that it's hard to believe is that there are probably thousands of new DVDs released every year. It doesn't seem possible that any government agency will have enough staff or funds to review every single DVD and assign a rating.
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Yes you are, the genre adult is a problem because it blend together different things who aren't the same. Generally if you hear the expression adult movie what do you think first? 90% of the people will think porn movie (I hate this expression, but it's another story). It's exactly where is the problem with this non-genre in the database. It's like saying that The Brown Bunny, Thriller : A Cruel Picture, The Language of Love or MILF Hunter 16 are the same thing wich they aren't.

Maybe it's just me, but when I see 'Adult', I don't think porn, I think 'not for children'.  Are there different levels of 'adult' material?  Sure there are but, in my opinion, anything that is not suitable for children is, by definition, 'adult'.

I realize that this is a big issue for you, but I just don't see it.  Because of that, I will bow out of this particular discussion.
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