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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
Who is John Galt?
Registered: March 13, 2007
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I'm of a different opinion than I was a few years ago...

The filter does nothing for names that use all three fields: J.D./Bob/Dawodu ia not affected by the filter.  Since no space is added in that case, I don't think one should be added when the initials are in the middle.  Paul W.S. Anderson should be entered as Paul/W.S./Anderson.


This is why we can NEVER hope to have ANY consistency in our database!

Nothing has changed in the last four years.
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actually something has changed in the last 4 years... TheMadMartian's opinion. 

Sorry... couldn't resist... in a weird mood today.
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I went back and looked at the original filter and it only comes into play under certain circumstances and only if the middle name field is empty.

J.D./Dawodu becomes J./D./Dawodu [J.D. Dawodu] because there are periods after the letters AND the middle name field is empty

J D/Dawodu becomes J./D./Dawodu [J D Dawodu] because there is a space between the letters AND the middle name field is empty

J. D./Dawodu becomes J./D./Dawodu because there are periods after the letters, there is a space between the letters AND the middle name field is empty.

Not affected by this filter:
JD/Dawodu not affected because there are no periods after the letters nor a space between the letters
J/Dawodu not affected because there is no need here
J.D./Bob/Dawodu because the middle name field is not empty.

If we are talking about being consistent, it is the last one that is important.  The filter does not add a space between the initials when it is in the first name field, so it would not be consistent to add one when the initials are in the middle name field...or am I missing something here?
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This filter has now been officially implemented by Ken:

Quoting Ken Cole, from the Contribution Rules Committee forum:
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This filter has been implemented for middle names. [...]

The idea is to reduce unnecessary variations in the name field by standardizing.  The Credited As name will remain exactly as entered, just as with the other filters.

It's active immediately: the contribution filter will now automatically change, say, "Kirk B.R. Woller" to "Kirk B. R. Woller [Kirk B.R. Woller]".
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This filter has now been officially implemented by Ken:

Quoting Ken Cole, from the Contribution Rules Committee forum:
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This filter has been implemented for middle names. [...]

The idea is to reduce unnecessary variations in the name field by standardizing.  The Credited As name will remain exactly as entered, just as with the other filters.

It's active immediately: the contribution filter will now automatically change, say, "Kirk B.R. Woller" to "Kirk B. R. Woller [Kirk B.R. Woller]".

   
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had 389 profiles corrections waiting to contribute, but since they contain Frederick E.O. Toye. I'll have to keep them local.

Guess I'm going to have to go the way of Yves now.
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Who is John Galt?
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had 389 profiles corrections waiting to contribute, but since they contain Frederick E.O. Toye. I'll have to keep them local.

Guess I'm going to have to go the way of Yves now.


Contributing them will not change them in your local database. 
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Hal is correct.  As long as you don't download them after contributing, your local will not change.  The filter changes it in the main database, not the local.
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had 389 profiles corrections waiting to contribute, but since they contain Frederick E.O. Toye. I'll have to keep them local.

Guess I'm going to have to go the way of Yves now.


Contributing them will not change them in your local database. 



I know that. But if I'm not going to download from the database because of another stupid auto-filter, forcing an incorrect name (that everyone will be calling a common name). I very well can't contribute profiles that force the name change.
What's next, all accented and alt-code letters to be auto-filtered to standard English alphabet (not including invisible accented letters). No more Željko Ivanek and others.
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had 389 profiles corrections waiting to contribute, but since they contain Frederick E.O. Toye. I'll have to keep them local.

Since auto filtering will ultimately help with linking I don't know why it's considered such a problem.

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Quoting hal9g:
I know that. But if I'm not going to download from the database because of another stupid auto-filter, forcing an incorrect name (that everyone will be calling a common name).


These filters do not affect the common name.  The common name operates off of the Credited As field, which will remain as you have entered the name.
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I still hardly understand Invelos' logic:

1/ Names with initial or suffixes : filters change what we "see" in credits, to avoid variants
2/ Names with accents : contributors must create fake variants, not to change what we "see" in credits

What is important : to reproduce what we "see" (not read...) in credits (so why 1/) or avoid variants (so why 2/) ?

People will once again say I always repeat the same things, but would it be possible to have finally an answer to this simple question ?
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Who is John Galt?
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People will once again say I always repeat the same things, but would it be possible to have finally an answer to this simple question ?


Not until we get a proper linking system!
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Not until we get a proper linking system!

A new linking system would be great, but even with present sytem, a few very simple rules on specific cases (married women, Asian names, names with middle names, accented names...) would reduce substantially the number of useless variants.
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I know that. But if I'm not going to download from the database because of another stupid auto-filter, forcing an incorrect name (that everyone will be calling a common name).


These filters do not affect the common name.  The common name operates off of the Credited As field, which will remain as you have entered the name.



are you serious. How does it not affect the common name of J.J. Abrams, which gets auto-filtered to J. J. Abrams. Or now Frederick E.O. Toye, that gets auto-filtered to Frederick E. O. Toye.

this is how most people think that the auto filter and actual screen credit are the same -
common name thread.
"But thanks to Invelos's filter, T.J. Thyne and T. J. Thyne are both entered as T./J./Thyne. Together, those name variants have 18 confirmed titles + 1 unconfirmed. TJ Thyne has 19 confirmed profiles. So I don't see a definite outcome yet - it looks like it's going to be a tie."
common name thread
"Since Invelos filters combine the Jr. variants with and without comma it is most likely that the common name will be Patrick M. Sullivan, Jr."
common name thread
"Example:

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Albert Smith 10 Titles

Albert Smith Jr. - 5 titles

Albert Smith, Jr. - 6 titles

Since both "Albert Smith, Jr." and "Albert Smith Jr." would be forced by the filter to have the sane common name of "Albert Smith, Jr." the counts would be combined

Albert Smith 10 Titles

Albert Smith Jr./Albert Smith, Jr. - 11 titles

Common name would be "Albert Smith, Jr."
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are you serious


Yes. The Common Name search feature operates off the "Credited As" field only when set. These filters set the Credited As field to what was originally entered, so they have no effect on the results of the common name search feature.
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