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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantmediadogg
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Registered: March 18, 2007
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Quoting Mark Harrison:
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1. Ken simply says this is stupid and makes a ruling.

Ok, I just can't seem to get out of Dodge ... 

If I were Ken, and presented this by a group already entrusted with making the decision, I would fire them. I sure hope that we don't waste his time this way ...
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
Registered: March 14, 2007
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It doesn't have to be either our current system or anarchy.


That's true but once you open the door to personal interpretations you open a can of worm. I would love a system that is bullet proof and correct but I don't think that's possible. It would be nice to have though...........


Fair enough, but I wasn't talking about personal interpretations.  Here's what I honestly think are the best solutions in order:

1. Ken simply says this is stupid and makes a ruling.
2. The rule is modified to allow this title through.
3. Some other idea that allows the right title through.

I'm not suggesting we toss out our current system.  But I will say if the current system requires us to enter bad data, and there's no way around that, then I think we should be brainstorming a new system rather than accepting defeat.

It doesn't matter what the system is.  If it forces you to enter bad data, then it's wrong and should be changed.  We should never, ever reach a point where we're knowingly allowing bad data into the database.  Because it doesn't really matter if rules were followed correctly or not.  Bad data is bad data and thus useless.

Will it be a perfect system?  Of course not.  There's no magic bullet here.  But again, data is the key.  Or, if you're an English nut, I suppose Datum are the key!  The rules are to help us get the best data possible.  They only exist because we want better data.  The data doesn't exist to justify the rules.  That's backwards thinking that leads to collecting useless information.


I agree mostly with you but, and here comes the but, how do we know it's bad data? What if the different title for the dvd/blu-ray is intended bye the studio? How do we know? All I am trying to say is that it never will or can be a perfect system. As soon as we change the title from what is on the cover it's an interpretation, our interpretation. In this case here we do that within the rules and I believe that it brings us to the correct title for the release in question but others might not. The studio put T4xi on the cover for a reason, and we all, well, I think we all, agree that the movie title is Taxi 4 but this particular DVD release has the title of T4xi because that's what the manufacturer put on the cover and we all know it's on purpose. So this makes the DVD title T4xi 4 and the movie title Taxi 4. I do not think that T4xi is bad data or Scre4m.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKinematics
Registered: March 16, 2007
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I am sure.... as long as the Original Title is filled it will come up.... here is a cap of my search.... notice I searched taxi 4.... and both taxi 4 and t4xi came up for me...


Ah, and you also scoped it to be Any Region, while mine was on the default region 1, which was why nothing came up for me.  There are numerous results returned in other regions.
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FWIW, Scre4m is what the film says as well as the cover, so there's no saving that except custom/local locked title. But since that is what the film says, I'm fine with it and just put Scream 4 in the sort title and don't worry about it.

Not seen T4xi, but if that's what the film says then it should be that.
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I am sure.... as long as the Original Title is filled it will come up.... here is a cap of my search.... notice I searched taxi 4.... and both taxi 4 and t4xi came up for me...


Ah, and you also scoped it to be Any Region, while mine was on the default region 1, which was why nothing came up for me.  There are numerous results returned in other regions.


But the reson for that is the "Original Title" is not filled out in the regio1 1 released which should be fixed - That was already discussed
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMark Harrison
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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If I were Ken, and presented this by a group already entrusted with making the decision, I would fire them.


   
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGrendell
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Registered: May 8, 2007
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The OP knew that there was at least one other option for this poll - he included it in the Subject line but choose not to include it as a third option.

Therefore, in my opinion it was designed to be deliberately deceiving.


Wow, that's pretty harsh. That is disappointing, coming from you!

He didn't set the poll up to start a fight, be deceiving, or anything you are picking on him about. He simply only put the options in that the rules allow without bending, or "interpreting" them, if you will.

People wanting to "interpret" the rules here, but not for Taxi 4, makes them two faced, IMHO.

People upset about 10 pages should be upset with Ken for not stepping in and making a ruling in this and other cases like it. To be upset with people simply because they don't "shut up" about an opinion you don't share is pretty belligerent.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKinematics
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I am sure.... as long as the Original Title is filled it will come up.... here is a cap of my search.... notice I searched taxi 4.... and both taxi 4 and t4xi came up for me...


Ah, and you also scoped it to be Any Region, while mine was on the default region 1, which was why nothing came up for me.  There are numerous results returned in other regions.


But the reson for that is the "Original Title" is not filled out in the regio1 1 released which should be fixed - That was already discussed


The reason why the Region 1 version doesn't show up is because of the lack of the Original Title value.  The reason why -no- titles showed up for me (compared to Addicted's claim) was because of the region scope.  Different issues.
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The OP knew that there was at least one other option for this poll - he included it in the Subject line but choose not to include it as a third option.

Therefore, in my opinion it was designed to be deliberately deceiving.


Wow, that's pretty harsh. That is disappointing, coming from you!


She's not being harsh, she's being correct.  The poll construction succumbs to an informal fallacy similar to a Loaded Question and Assuming the Conclusion fallacies: the question itself artificially restricts the answers that can be provided by making assumptions about the conclusion.

It doesn't matter whether you agree with the conclusion of the alternate choice; it's up to the voter to justify their stance if they choose to vote that way.  By removing such options, you're trying to force the shape of the debate.  It doesn't matter which choice a person makes in the poll as it's currently written; the person who created the poll is saying, "You must agree with me on point A before you can even weigh in on your opinion about point B."

Essentially, this is not a scientifically valid poll, and you cannot draw any factual conclusions from its results.  Describing it as "deceptive" may be a bit of a loaded comment, but is not technically incorrect, since the poll incorporates logical fallacies.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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The OP knew that there was at least one other option for this poll - he included it in the Subject line but choose not to include it as a third option.

Therefore, in my opinion it was designed to be deliberately deceiving.


Wow, that's pretty harsh.


You're right - I should have chosen my words more carefully.

Yves, I'm sorry.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGrendell
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You're right - I should have chosen my words more carefully.

Yves, I'm sorry.


Quit being so nice. 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
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The OP knew that there was at least one other option for this poll - he included it in the Subject line but choose not to include it as a third option.

Therefore, in my opinion it was designed to be deliberately deceiving.


Wow, that's pretty harsh. That is disappointing, coming from you!

He didn't set the poll up to start a fight, be deceiving, or anything you are picking on him about. He simply only put the options in that the rules allow without bending, or "interpreting" them, if you will.

People wanting to "interpret" the rules here, but not for Taxi 4, makes them two faced, IMHO.

People upset about 10 pages should be upset with Ken for not stepping in and making a ruling in this and other cases like it. To be upset with people simply because they don't "shut up" about an opinion you don't share is pretty belligerent.


Hahahahahahahahahahahaha, that is unreal. This has to be joke. Please tell me you are kidding...........
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
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The OP knew that there was at least one other option for this poll - he included it in the Subject line but choose not to include it as a third option.

Therefore, in my opinion it was designed to be deliberately deceiving.


Wow, that's pretty harsh.


You're right - I should have chosen my words more carefully.

Yves, I'm sorry.


Why are you apologizing? The first post and poll are deceiving and aimed to create arguments. Why do you apologize for speaking what you believe is the truth?
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You're right - I should have chosen my words more carefully.

Yves, I'm sorry.

Common Kathy you have no reason to feel bad for what you wrote... that wasn't agressive or insulting.

That guy can't do the difference between crime fighting and politic, what make you think he can be the judge of what is or isn't harsh language?
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Mark, your post (not the last one, the one before that) is painful to read. "Data" as a word is plural noun meaning more than one piece of datum. Reading the singular verb "is" after the plural "data" offends an English major like me.

I am not sure why it is painful to read or why it would offend you.  While the word 'data' originated as the plural form of datum, it has evolved and is used in a singular form...Merriam Webster backs me up on this...I would have posted earlier, but you made me doubt myself. 
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Edit:  I really need to start reading to the end before responding as this is my third edit. 

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The rules are to help us get the best data possible.  They only exist because we want better data.

I honestly think you have this wrong.  As I understand it, the rules are there to help standardize the main database...no more, no less.  There are plenty of rules I do not like...cast in end credit order, for example...because they make the data useless for my purposes but, because it is Ken's program and I can change the data locally, I no longer worry about it and contribute based on my understanding of the rules.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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