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 Men in Black vs. MIB: Men in Black, Men in Black II vs. MIIB: Men in Black II (Locked) |
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 | kd5 | | SciFi/Fantasy/Horror Geek |
| Registered: May 24, 2010 |  Posts: 370 |
| | Posted: | | | | You can't have it both ways. Choose one or the other.
I recently received a database update for Men in Black, title to become MIB: Men in Black which I accepted. Decided that since Men in Black was going to be MIB: Men in Black, that Men in Black II should be MIIB: Men in Black II. Contribution was declined on the grounds that MIIB was a stylized logo and not actually part of the movie title. So I contributed the change back from MIB: Men in Black to just Men in Black since MIIB: Men in Black II was declined. Now I'm getting no votes on that contribution as well.
Make up your minds. You can't have it both ways. Either it's MIB: Men in Black and MIIB: Men in Black II or it's just Men in Black and Men in Black II. Take your pick. -kd5- | | | | Time is the fire in which we burn. (Soran) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,310 |
| | Posted: | | | | In my collection it is...
Men in Black
Men in Black II
MIB³: Men in Black 3
I personally would have done the third like the first two in my collection... but it really isn't something that I care enough about. As long as it sorts together I am happy. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 553 |
| | Posted: | | | | I voted yes on changes to use the MIB and MIIB titles recently. That's what it says on my Blu-ray covers so that's what I think the title is. Have no idea what this "stylized logo" thing is (any other examples?). The profile in my db for the third movie is titled "MIB³: Men in Black 3" so I don't understand it being declined.
So long as the original titles stay "Men in Black" and "Men in Black II", I have no problem with "MIB: Men in Black" or "MIIB: Men in Black II" being the DVD/Blu-ray titles. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection
My Letterboxd Page |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kd5: Quote:
You can't have it both ways. Choose one or the other.
I recently received a database update for Men in Black, title to become MIB: Men in Black which I accepted. Decided that since Men in Black was going to be MIB: Men in Black, that Men in Black II should be MIIB: Men in Black II. Contribution was declined on the grounds that MIIB was a stylized logo and not actually part of the movie title. So I contributed the change back from MIB: Men in Black to just Men in Black since MIIB: Men in Black II was declined. Now I'm getting no votes on that contribution as well.
Make up your minds. You can't have it both ways. Either it's MIB: Men in Black and MIIB: Men in Black II or it's just Men in Black and Men in Black II. Take your pick. -kd5- You're acting like the people who voted 'no' are the ones who got it changed to MIB: Men in Black...they weren't. I am sorry that you accepted the change, which in my opinion is incorrect, but that doesn't mean you should mess up the other one. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rizor: Quote:
I voted yes on changes to use the MIB and MIIB titles recently. That's what it says on my Blu-ray covers so that's what I think the title is. Have no idea what this "stylized logo" thing is (any other examples?). The profile in my db for the third movie is titled "MIB³: Men in Black 3" so I don't understand it being declined. I will give you the most famous, or is it infamous, example of a 'stylized logo'...007 and here is Gerri's stance on that issue. MIB and MIIB are no different and should not be included as part of the title. The titles are Men in Black, Men in Black II and Men in Black 3 and if you have any doubts, just take a look at the credit blocks on the back of the case. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 553 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I will give you the most famous, or is it infamous, example of a 'stylized logo'...007 and here is Gerri's stance on that issue.
MIB and MIIB are no different and should not be included as part of the title. The titles are Men in Black, Men in Black II and Men in Black 3 and if you have any doubts, just take a look at the credit blocks on the back of the case. Thanks. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection
My Letterboxd Page |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I will give you the most famous, or is it infamous, example of a 'stylized logo'...007 and here is Gerri's stance on that issue.
MIB and MIIB are no different and should not be included as part of the title. The titles are Men in Black, Men in Black II and Men in Black 3 and if you have any doubts, just take a look at the credit blocks on the back of the case. Agreed! All of the recent Men in Black title change contributions to the profiles I owned were declined, and rightly so for that reason. | | | | Corey |
| | kd5 | | SciFi/Fantasy/Horror Geek |
| Registered: May 24, 2010 | | Posts: 370 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
You're acting like the people who voted 'no' are the ones who got it changed to MIB: Men in Black...they weren't. I am sorry that you accepted the change, which in my opinion is incorrect, but that doesn't mean you should mess up the other one. I'm not blaming anybody for anything. I'm just saying make up your minds about how the titles of these should be in DVD Profiler. -kd5 | | | | Time is the fire in which we burn. (Soran) |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think this might be one of those kinds of topics.
Why? Because other titles with "stylized logo" were hotly debated and were entered as such.
Remember the debate about Ta4i?
What exactly is a "stylized logo"? Who decides if and when it should be applied?
Gerri weighed in and ruled on the 007 issue but no others.
I have seen invelos make a ruling and that applied only to that particular title(s) - remember TRON?
It's no wonder few people bother to contribute anymore.
Edit: Personally I keep my titles simple, local and locked. Men in Black, Men in Black 2, Men in Black 3 etc.
When I think of a film I don't think in a "stylized logo" to buy it or find it.
Edit 2: I was going to go through and find a bunch of titles and ask Do I copy the title exactly from the cover? Or, is this a "stylized logo"?
But, I've changed my mind. I really don't care what the community decides. This issue will now go right next to Birth Year, CLT and Common Name contributions - I don't contribute and usually vote neutral. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | M:i-2 / credit block Mission: Impossible 2 / original title Mission: Impossible II
M:i:III / credit block M:i:III / original title M:i:III
$corched / credit block Scorched / original title Scorched
Thir13en Ghosts / credit block 13 Ghosts / original title Thir13en Ghosts
T2 / credit block Terminator 2: Judgment Day / original title Terminator 2: Judgment Day
as you can see, there really isn't a standard that everyone can follow.
I think the reason some, like MIB are not approved is because the Original Title is on the front cover also. So if only the MIB, MIIB, MIB³ were on the front cover, they would be used as DVD name, stylish logo or not. Like T2, Thir13en Ghosts, |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
I think the reason some, like MIB are not approved is because the Original Title is on the front cover also. So if only the MIB, MIIB, MIB³ were on the front cover, they would be used as DVD name, stylish logo or not. Like T2, Thir13en Ghosts, Not the original title, but the release title. If the only thing on the cover is the stylized logo, then we have no choice but to use it as the title. If, however, there is an actual title as well as the stylized logo, it makes more sense to use the actual title...at least it does to me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is definitely something that needs to be adjudicated by ken/Gerri
In my DB, I have 2 that are titled without the "Graphic" 2 that are titled with the "Graphic". I have personally removed the graphic for my DB, as I think that is the correct form.
To me MIB, MIIB, and MIB³ are all "stylized logos". This is reinforced by the fact that the titles (at least on my copies) are printed directly below the "logos".
To include the logos, then the printed title i.e. MIB:Men in Black, is redundant and implies an episodic descriptor, which it is not.
This is of course my opinion.
Charlie |
| | kd5 | | SciFi/Fantasy/Horror Geek |
| Registered: May 24, 2010 | | Posts: 370 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, I've changed mine back to just 'Men in Black' and 'Men in Black II' and locked them. Apparently this is an OLD argument that's not going away anytime soon. I just assumed that because the change to 'MIB: Men in Black' was approved by the powers-that-be, it was the way it should now appear in DVD Profiler, and if the first 'Men in Black' was going to be that way, then 'Men in Black II' should be as well. All of the No votes told me there was something else going on here, hence my creation of this thread. Since nothing has been resolved (and is not likely to be resolved here), I'll make up my own mind about how they should appear in my database.
Apparently you can have it both ways, but not in my collection. | | | | Time is the fire in which we burn. (Soran) |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kd5: Quote:
Well, I've changed mine back to just 'Men in Black' and 'Men in Black II' and locked them. Apparently this is an OLD argument that's not going away anytime soon. I just assumed that because the change to 'MIB: Men in Black' was approved by the powers-that-be, it was the way it should now appear in DVD Profiler, and if the first 'Men in Black' was going to be that way, then 'Men in Black II' should be as well. All of the No votes told me there was something else going on here, hence my creation of this thread. Since nothing has been resolved (and is not likely to be resolved here), I'll make up my own mind about how they should appear in my database.
Apparently you can have it both ways, but not in my collection. Not having a good week, That is why most say they don't contribute anymore, but they don't stop voting on contributions from the small percentage that still do contribute. |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Not having a good week, That is why most say they don't contribute anymore, but they don't stop voting on contributions from the small percentage that still do contribute. Not necessarily as I explained earlier. I refuse to contribute or vote on these questionable, unresolved issues. I could very well vote "yes" or "no" and I could be correct in doing so. So, I don't bother voting on it. Why should I when it can be changed again with the next contribution? It might be that you get votes - but it's just as likely that there are many people don't bother voting "yes" or "no" because it is a waste of time. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
If the only thing on the cover is the stylized logo, then we have no choice but to use it as the title.  | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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