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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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Matter of fact just yesterday I was reading threads back from 2007 when Invelos first opened the forums. And there was more then once where the original (or one of the) post(s) was edited or completely removed.

Remember when I forgot who left the forum very angry and goes back in his entire posting history and deleted all his messages.

It was because of this that Ken put in place a time limit for editing our message...
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Ask Ken to make misquoting against the rules and then ban offenders.

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I am behind this one.  We have several users who love to quote people, change the quote, then add "edited for truth" or some such nonsense.
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Ask Ken to make misquoting against the rules and then ban offenders.

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I am behind this one.  We have several users who love to quote people, change the quote, then add "edited for truth" or some such nonsense.


First, I had to really resist the urge to modify your quote.    I don't think it is that big of a problem, if I'm responding to a long post it is sometimes easier to break it up into smaller parts to respond to individual points.

I also haven't seen it as a big issue, I've seen it a few times and 'edit for truth' and the like usually are done in jest and also bring attention to the fact that the quote has been altered.  Those I wouldn't be very worried about, but it's the ones that you don't know that they changed.  Even then you could point out that isn't what you said and they altered your quote.

Without some major rewrite of the code I don't see any of these changes happening.  all the current quote tag does is add "Quoting username:" and then put their posts in blockquotes.  To link it to the original or hard code the quote in would be completely something else all together.
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@DoubleDownAgain, my proposal allows for excerpts. It could be as easy as swiping a block of text with a mouse, finger, whatever. Invelos would decide the implementation. But try it: just highlight some text, and then pretend to click the "linkquote" icon. Done!  (Hmm, how to handle multiple excerpts ...)

How easy / hard it is, relative the value is for Invelos to decide. I don't agree that it is a "major rewrite," but even if it is, it doesn't matter if Invelos decides to do it.

I just put the ideas out there, and Invelos has said it will look at it. Can't ask for much more than that ...
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But what happens if I quote an excerpt and then the OP decides to re-write the whole paragraph which includes my excerpt quote?

To be perfectly honest I don't see the effort being worth the gain. I can't even remember a case where another user was deliberately msiquoted. I can't imagine that if it were to happen that he wouldn't be immediately called on it by several other users.
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@DoubleDownAgain, my proposal allows for excerpts. It could be as easy as swiping a block of text with a mouse, finger, whatever. Invelos would decide the implementation. But try it: just highlight some text, and then pretend to click the "linkquote" icon. Done!  (Hmm, how to handle multiple excerpts ...)

How easy / hard it is, relative the value is for Invelos to decide. I don't agree that it is a "major rewrite," but even if it is, it doesn't matter if Invelos decides to do it.

I just put the ideas out there, and Invelos has said it will look at it. Can't ask for much more than that ...


Major might have been a bit much, but it wouldn't be an easy implementation, it would take a bit of time to do.  And while It'd be nice, I'd rather Ken continue to work on DVD Online Plus, a better linking system, etc than spending time on this, as I agree with DJ Doena, as it doesn't seem to be a pressing issues.
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But what happens if I quote an excerpt and then the OP decides to re-write the whole paragraph which includes my excerpt quote?

To be perfectly honest I don't see the effort being worth the gain. I can't even remember a case where another user was deliberately msiquoted. I can't imagine that if it were to happen that he wouldn't be immediately called on it by several other users.

You are commenting on pieces of the proposal in isolation. Read the rest - the part about limiting the edit window. The next post following the OP's post, closes the edit window.

To see a deliberate misquote, just read this thread for a direct example (see here), and a couple of references to others.
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Major might have been a bit much, but it wouldn't be an easy implementation, it would take a bit of time to do.  And while It'd be nice, I'd rather Ken continue to work on DVD Online Plus, a better linking system, etc than spending time on this, as I agree with DJ Doena, as it doesn't seem to be a pressing issues.

Well of course it will take "a bit of time." So what?

Ken decides his own priorities. For an exercise, try combing through the forums for all the nits and lice people are asking for. Add this to the list. Only Ken can decide, and you are incorrect to assume that somehow responding to this issue will have any major impact on other things you deem important. And unless you are familiar with the code, I don't trust your intuition about how hard something is over mine. And we are both probably wrong, and irrelevant - it doesn't matter what we think.

If Invelos thinks something is important, they will find a way to do it.
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Major might have been a bit much, but it wouldn't be an easy implementation, it would take a bit of time to do.  And while It'd be nice, I'd rather Ken continue to work on DVD Online Plus, a better linking system, etc than spending time on this, as I agree with DJ Doena, as it doesn't seem to be a pressing issues.

Well of course it will take "a bit of time." So what?

Ken decides his own priorities. For an exercise, try combing through the forums for all the nits and lice people are asking for. Add this to the list. Only Ken can decide, and you are incorrect to assume that somehow responding to this issue will have any major impact on other things you deem important. And unless you are familiar with the code, I don't trust your intuition about how hard something is over mine. And we are both probably wrong, and irrelevant - it doesn't matter what we think.

If Invelos thinks something is important, they will find a way to do it.


Agreed!  Wasn't trying to say your opinion wasn't important or that Ken shouldn't consider it, just I don't see it as a pressing issue.
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For example someone could post...

I have a few questions....

1. Question about titles
2. Question about overviews
3. Question about Crew
4. Question about Studios

And my reply I only have one answer... So I would want to only quote the one question...

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2. Question about overviews

Answer to Question

And if I am reading you correctly I don't think I could do that... could I?


I would disagree with the linkquote method since this has the potential to affect the message being conveyed in any replies IF the original message being replied to has been edited by the original poster.

Using Addicted2DVD's example, he could quote the original post in regards to a "question about overviews" and respond according .

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2. Question about overviews


However, for example, this would allow the original poster to edit the post after another user has quoted said post and change it to say a "question about cast":

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2. Question about cast


In which case the original reply answering a question about overviews no longer makes sense and becomes irrelevant to the changed post.  The linkquote concept proposed has the potential to confuse readers that are trying to follow a thread.

Every other forum I've used implements quoting in the same fashion as the Invelos forum with the exception that those other forums allow an unlimited timeframe for editing a post.
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To be perfectly honest I don't see the effort being worth the gain. I can't even remember a case where another user was deliberately msiquoted. I can't imagine that if it were to happen that he wouldn't be immediately called on it by several other users.


I'm with DJ.  I have no issues with something like this being put in place.  At the same time, I can't remember a time when it's been a big enough issue to fix.  Of course I'm not on here a lot like some people.  So I guess it could be happening and I'm unaware of it (got any examples?).

Anyway, I guess if I had to vote, I'd click Neutral.
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I don't like the idea, and I don't know why this is a "problem" that needs to fixed. Every forum I visit handle the quotes similar way. I don't like the idea when I responce someones text and quote that text to my post, he/she would be able to change the text after my responce. That could lead an unwanted situations. Maybe that's the reason why every forum (that I know of) handle quotes same way (as DVDP doest at present).
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I can't even remember a case where another user was deliberately msiquoted.

It's happened in this very thread.

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I don't like the idea, and I don't know why this is a "problem" that needs to fixed. Every forum I visit handle the quotes similar way. I don't like the idea when I responce someones text and quote that text to my post, he/she would be able to change the text after my responce. That could lead an unwanted situations. Maybe that's the reason why every forum (that I know of) handle quotes same way (as DVDP doest at present).

You obviously have not read this thread carefully. We agree with you, and the proposal is exactly the opposite of what you are saying, and prevents the thing you don't like. What you don't like is actually possible today. What this proposal does, is makes it even harder for what you don't like to happen.
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Anyway, I guess if I had to vote, I would wholeheartedly endorse it. Best proposal ever!

Thanks for setting me up ... 
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the proposal is exactly the opposite of what you are saying, and prevents the thing you don't like. What you don't like is actually possible today.

Ok, prove me wrong and and edit your text inside this my post. If you manage to do that, please tell me how. Last thing I want is a possibility to edit any text inside my post. No matter if it is my own or quoted. My biggest issue here is that in my opinion you're trying to fix something that isn't broken. I've been around on several forums for a long time and I know that it's technically possible to mis-quote someones text, but a problem? I don't see that. We can always check original post if it's quoted correctly. We have edit time stamps etc. That's enough for me.

I much rather see Ken to use his his time for better moderation and I would like to see him partisipate more on conversations, and most of all, I would like to have "Mark as read" button instead automated marking, which sucks.

I don't want to see him using valuable time to invent a wheel again, which could lead for being... well, an unfunctional wheel 

But that's my opinion.
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