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Kong Skull Island or Kong: Skull Island
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorThe Movieman
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So, this one is up for vote (both ways, one for the 4K another for the BD) and I was wondering, how should this be entered? Kong Skull Island or Kong: Skull Island? FWIW, the credit block on the inner back cover (the slip doesn't have a credit block) says "Kong: Skull Island".

And here is the front cover itself (the title is the same on all formats):
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Because the Contribution Rules specify that we are to "use the title from the front cover," I vote for "Kong Skull Island" without the colon.  If we allow punctuation that isn't there to be added, then why a colon and not a hyphen or some other mark?

Perhaps that section of the Rules needs to be changed, but until it is, the rules should be followed as is. If we don't, what's the point of having them?
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Because the Contribution Rules specify that we are to "use the title from the front cover," I vote for "Kong Skull Island" without the colon.

The rules demand the dividers for other split titles: Episode descriptors, music and stage performances and annual releases. That's why some of us think, subtitles should be delimeted also.
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If we allow punctuation that isn't there to be added, then why a colon and not a hyphen or some other mark?

Because the rules demand this for the cases where delimiters are demanded:

From the rules:
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Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break.
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Quoting scooterberwyn:
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Because the Contribution Rules specify that we are to "use the title from the front cover," I vote for "Kong Skull Island" without the colon.  If we allow punctuation that isn't there to be added, then why a colon and not a hyphen or some other mark?

Perhaps that section of the Rules needs to be changed, but until it is, the rules should be followed as is. If we don't, what's the point of having them?

The rules say to "use" the title from the front cover, not "copy" the title from the front cover.  It is a long standing practice to add the colon for subtitles.
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I wish the rules just said use what is in the credit block on back. In cases like this, I always defer to that (and here it has the colon).
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I wish the rules just said use what is in the credit block on back. In cases like this, I always defer to that (and here it has the colon).

Definitely.
If the back cover has an "Original Title" / "Title" that should be used.
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No. There are contribution rules in place and they must be followed. As the Martian pointed out, the rules tell us to use the title from the front cover, not the back cover. Period.

Whether or not these rules should be changed or not is a different discussion altogether, which can take place in the Contribution Rules Committee forum.
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No. There are contribution rules in place and they must be followed. As the Martian pointed out, the rules tell us to use the title from the front cover, not the back cover. Period.


Although the rules tell us to use the front cover, they also detail instances in which we take this data from the back cover credit block, movie credits and invelos' Capitalization tool.

"Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title. If quotes surround the title in the credit block (generally on the back cover), check whether the possessive is within the quotes."

"For titles which include periods, dashes, or other symbols, check the credit block on the back of the case if included. If not, check the film credits or opening sequence."

"English titles will be automatically capitalized by the contribution system per the Associated Press style title standard. Capitalization Tool."
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Yep. This definitely falls under the "other symbols" clause.
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Quoting Kathy:
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No. There are contribution rules in place and they must be followed. As the Martian pointed out, the rules tell us to use the title from the front cover, not the back cover. Period.


Although the rules tell us to use the front cover, they also detail instances in which we take this data from the back cover credit block, movie credits and invelos' Capitalization tool.

"Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title. If quotes surround the title in the credit block (generally on the back cover), check whether the possessive is within the quotes."

"For titles which include periods, dashes, or other symbols, check the credit block on the back of the case if included. If not, check the film credits or opening sequence."

"English titles will be automatically capitalized by the contribution system per the Associated Press style title standard. Capitalization Tool."


I would agree that this would fall under these parts of the rules. Thanks for putting them here Kathy. The rules really don't tell us to use the title from the front cover, not the back cover, period at all really. There's many instances where we refer to different areas to get the title we end up entering.
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I would agree that this would fall under these parts of the rules. Thanks for putting them here Kathy. The rules really don't tell us to use the title from the front cover, not the back cover, period at all really. There's many instances where we refer to different areas to get the title we end up entering.

I have to disagree, this is not covered by any of the rules that Kathy listed as there is no possessive nor is there a period, dash, or other symbol on the cover.

Subtitles are not specifically covered by the rules, though most people seem to be handling them the same way they would an episode descriptor.  For the record, I am fine with that.  It would, however, be nice if it were added to the rules.
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I agree with Martian... this is not covered in the rules. It tells us what to do if there is a symbol in the title on the front cover. That is not the case here.
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This place hurts my brain sometimes.

APOLOGIES for wording my sentence badly... thank you both for pointing it out   

The point of what I was saying is still the same.

It was said "the rules tell us to use the title from the front cover, not the back cover. Period." and there are obvious exceptions to that.
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the rules should be followed as is. If we don't, what's the point of having them?

I'm of the opinion that The Rules were created to promote forum traffic.

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This place hurts my brain sometimes.

APOLOGIES for wording my sentence badly... thank you both for pointing it out   

The point of what I was saying is still the same.

It was said "the rules tell us to use the title from the front cover, not the back cover. Period." and there are obvious exceptions to that.


I don't think anyone ever said from the front cover not the back period... as it is well known there is exceptions to it in the rules.

What we were (or at least I was) commenting on is the fact that you said that you agreed that this was covered by the rules Kathy posted (the exceptions)... which it does not. As the exceptions are only for possessives and when symbols are in the title on the front cover. This case is neither of these.

Quoting Merrik:
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Quoting Kathy:
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Quoting dee1959jay:
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No. There are contribution rules in place and they must be followed. As the Martian pointed out, the rules tell us to use the title from the front cover, not the back cover. Period.


Although the rules tell us to use the front cover, they also detail instances in which we take this data from the back cover credit block, movie credits and invelos' Capitalization tool.

"Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title. If quotes surround the title in the credit block (generally on the back cover), check whether the possessive is within the quotes."

"For titles which include periods, dashes, or other symbols, check the credit block on the back of the case if included. If not, check the film credits or opening sequence."

"English titles will be automatically capitalized by the contribution system per the Associated Press style title standard. Capitalization Tool."


I would agree that this would fall under these parts of the rules. Thanks for putting them here Kathy. The rules really don't tell us to use the title from the front cover, not the back cover, period at all really. There's many instances where we refer to different areas to get the title we end up entering.
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What we were (or at least I was) commenting on is the fact that you said that you agreed that this was covered by the rules Kathy posted (the exceptions)... which it does not.


Yes, thank you. As noted, I've already apologized for wording my response poorly/incorrectly.

I will do it again here.

Apologies for wording my response poorly/incorrectly.

There is in fact no possessives, periods, dashes or other symbols on the cover.

The intent I had behind my posting, which was lost due to my poorly/incorrectly phrased/worded reply, was that this "the rules tell us to use the title from the front cover, not the back cover. Period." is simply not true as there are many exceptions to it that are covered in the rules and I was appreciative of Kathy posting it to show that there are exceptions that are covered by the rules, so it's not as black and white as one may hope (like most of the rules apparently).

Subtitles are not specifically covered, although they should be, and I would agree that they should be covered in the same way episode descriptors are. Seems to be the way they've mainly been handled up until this point.


Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I don't think anyone ever said from the front cover not the back period...


Quoting dee1959jay:
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the rules tell us to use the title from the front cover, not the back cover. Period.



(This is not to "call out" dee1959jay on anything as there's nothing to call out, simply pointing out he was the one that said this, to which Kathy replied correctly that there are exceptions, which I was simply trying to agree with... and now this... which I've played into and fed into... which is embarrassing)
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