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Alternate profile or not?, regarding tv seasons repackaged into complete series.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
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I was wondering how we treat Tv season sets that are repackaged into complete series sets.

For example Combat!: The Complete Series was released in November of 2013.
The individual season sets were released prior to that throughout 2013.
Each season set has their own release date which differs from the Complete Series set and they also have their SRP.

Since these season sets were repackaged into a Complete Series set at a later date do they count as alternate versions?
If so, would the release date for each season set change to that of the Complete Series and would the SRP be stripped from the season sets?
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yes and yes
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Agreed.
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No and no. This would apply to every box set ever released. If the cover art is the same, there's no sense making duplicate profiles that are identical except for the SRP and maybe the release date. We don't create an alternate profile every time the SRP changes, so I'd think this wouldn't be allowed for the same reasons.
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Ace has got a point too. Question is: do the repackaged season sets have an EAN/UPC of their own, and if so, is it the same as the originally released season sets? Is the cover art the same (identical or to a large extent)?

If the EAN/UPC is the same and the cover art is the same as well, then I agree with Ace that there is insufficient ground to create alternate profiles (based on just different SRP and release date). If any of these two are different, then alternate profiles are the way to go.

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Two for, two against.

Here's a thing though.

I've bought individual season sets way before the Complete Series was released.

Now when I go and buy the Complete Series the program will automatically move the individual set that I bought much earlier into the Complete Series profile.

This doesn't  accurately reflect that I own two sets of the first season.

So in reality I'd have conflicting release dates compared to the Complete Series us intact SRPs that screw up local data.
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Create Alternate or Manual profiles for your local only.
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I create a manual for that, same as any other case where I have two identical releases for some reason.
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So from what I'm reading this is the situation, correct?

Combat! Seasons 1-5 were released separately on their own during 2013.

Combat!: The Complete Series was released in November 2013.

The Complete Series box set took Seasons 1-5 and packaged them together.

Seasons 1-5 in the Complete Series are exactly the same as the prior releases? They contain the same UPCs, they've just simply been packaged together in a Complete Series packaging?

If that's the case then no. We wouldn't submit alternate versions just to change the release date because they were shoved together into a complete series package. They're the exact same releases. We don't create alternate profiles to change the release date or SRP.

IF they're different in someway major... If Seasons 1-5 in the Complete Series set don't have their own UPCs, then create new profiles. If they have different cover art but the same UPCs, create alternative profiles for them.

I've tried to create an alternative profile for a film with minimal changes (it was one of the MGM Contemporary Classics that was re-released without the Contemporary Classics banner) and it was flat out declined as an alternate profile. So to tell the truth, if the release is the same, same UPC, same cover, same everything, but it was simply put in a Complete Series set (which is what happens in a HUGE number of cases that concern Complete Series box sets), I'm not sure you'd even be able to get a submission through.

So yeah, totally agree with Ace on this one. I totally get that you want an accurate reflection of your collection... to show that you own two Season 1 sets of this show, but the system isn't set up that way that you can submit a new profile just to reflect this in your system. I do what Ace does. I've ended up with maybe three or four of the exact same profile in my system before (presents, double purchased a couple of movies). I've created manual profiles for them.

(And in my opinion that's a lacking feature of this program... I should be able to add 10 of the same movie into my own local if I wish to).
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I found the exact opposite of what Merrik to be true. I seldomly see the same cases  (upc and all) in complete series set. Far more often I see all the discs in a single case. Be it keep case or a book or what have you. So there is normally a lot of differences. Case type, release date, cover images, a lot of times differences in overview.

I do see what people are saying when it comes to just putting previous releases into a complete series slip cover. But as I said... in my experience (and I collect a LOT of complete series sets) this is seldomly the case.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I found the exact opposite of what Merrik to be true. I seldomly see the same cases  (upc and all) in complete series set. Far more often I see all the discs in a single case. Be it keep case or a book or what have you. So there is normally a lot of differences. Case type, release date, cover images, a lot of times differences in overview.

I do see what people are saying when it comes to just putting previous releases into a complete series slip cover. But as I said... in my experience (and I collect a LOT of complete series sets) this is seldomly the case.


I said it happens in a HUGE number of cases.

It does.

The opposite happens in a HUGE number of cases as well.

I wasn't making an argument one way or the other, just stating something that I've seen over the years collecting, but that's basically completely irrelevant to this topic (which is also why I put it in brackets to show it was an after thought).

Regardless of what may or may not happen with other situations, we're talking about this one.

If the seasons were just thrown together in a series cover, then no, they shouldn't be entered into the system as alternate profiles with alternate release dates and no SRP. The existing profiles should be attached as they are. And again, I'm not even sure someone would be able to get something that's exactly the same, the only differences being SRP and Release Date, approved as an Alternate Profile anyway (unless the screener(s) is slacking more than usual).

If there are some sort of differences to justify an alternate profile (no UPCs of their own, or same UPCs but very different artwork) then absolutely, enter away!
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This isn't very common with TV series, but it is common for movies.
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Okay. Cool. Guess I need to buy more series box sets then. Glad that's out of the way.

Let's change the topic of conversation back to the actual topic instead of a throwaway line in a post otherwise dedicated to this specific topic.

I would infer from CubbyUps first post where he said "For example Combat!: The Complete Series was released in November of 2013.
The individual season sets were released prior to that throughout 2013."

that this actually is the case in this instance and then I would say no, that's not really how the system is set up at this point. The Box Set would simply contain the already released profiles. The same as it would if a movie box set simply packaged together a couple of movies already released (if they were the exact same releases).

If it's not the case, and CubbyUps can say it's not the case, go for! 
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There is not enough information in the first post to answer this question.  Did they repackage each season or take the existing seasons and put them in a larger set?

The answer to that question determines how whether or not you use alternate profiles.
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It appears the complete series is simply a repackage of the individual season sets.



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I don't own the individual seasons. Only in the complete series set.

But if the covers on Tvshowsondvd is accurate the artwork for the individual sets match that on what's in the complete series set.

Don't know about the back covers.

Perhaps someone who owns the individual season sets can compare them to the pics posted above.
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