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"On Set" Crew Credits, Do We Enter Them?
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I see a lot of On Set Visual Effects Supervisors or On Set Special Effects Supervisors.

Going through a profile tonight. Come across an On Set Art Director.

Would the words "on set" be enough to disqualify them from being entered? Is that not a direct translation of the credit (or enough of a direct translation of the credit).

I rarely see them in already accepted profiles with cast and crew.

Enter them into the crew section or don't enter them into the crew section?

Just wondering where everyone sits on this, and maybe more importantly, WHY.

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The profile I was auditing actually ended up having On Set Art Director, On Set Visual Effects Supervisor and On Set Special Effects Supervisor all credited. The cast and crew were already completed (was doing a check over on it as I just bought it a couple of weeks ago) and I checked in the system. About ten or so profiles for the film and not a single one had these crew members credited in the profile, and this seems to usually be the case I'm running into (admittedly it's obviously not ALWAYS the case, but for what I am running into, it's mostly the case), which is why I wanted to get other folks opinions.
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One question. Are "regular" visual/special effects supervisors and/or art directors (i.e. without the "on set" prefix) being credited as well?

Trying to find out whether the on set crew members are main or secondary crew, which might be a consideration for entering them or not.
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I'm wondering, what an Off-Set-Special-Effects-Supervisor is. A coward?
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I'm wondering, what an Off-Set-Special-Effects-Supervisor is. A coward?


They supervise effects that are done in post, not live on-set.
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These are visual effects, not special effects. Only Invelos mixes this up.
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One question. Are "regular" visual/special effects supervisors and/or art directors (i.e. without the "on set" prefix) being credited as well?

Trying to find out whether the on set crew members are main or secondary crew, which might be a consideration for entering them or not.


I can only speak for this specific case at the moment as even though I've seen quite a few On Set xxxxxxxx credits, since they're not tracked that way in the system (or not in the profiles at all), I wouldn't exactly know which profiles to go back into to look at those specific credits.

So for THIS specific case the credits read

Supervising Art Director (one name)
Art Directors (three names)
On Set Art Director (one name)

Special Effects Supervisor (one name)
Special Effects Set Supervisor (one name)
(sorry, this one was slightly different, my apologies, I remembered it as On Set Special Effects Supervisor, although I am 100% positive I HAVE seen On Set Special Effects Supervisor in credits as well)

VFX Supervisor (one name)
VFX Producers (two names)
On Set VFX Supervisor (one name)
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The crappy thing about polls...

People can do a drive by voting and not explain their reasoning at all for voting the way they do...

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12 for entering them.
6 against entering them.

Anyone who voted either way want to weigh in with why you feel this way?
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I would not enter them, if there is a general equivalent (without the On-Set in front). If there is no other special effects guy, art director, etc. credited, then I'd list them...
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OK, second question: are the on set crew members credited in roughly the same place as their "regular" (without prefix) colleagues or in a different section of the crew credits?

Once again, I'm trying to establish whether or not the film makers see them as main crew or not, which might be a consideration.
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OK, second question: are the on set crew members credited in roughly the same place as their "regular" (without prefix) colleagues or in a different section of the crew credits?

Once again, I'm trying to establish whether or not the film makers see them as main crew or not, which might be a consideration.


Same place.

The order I listed the credits in in my previous post (sorry, I'd take a screenshot but my player doesn't let me screenshot Blu-rays for some reason), that's exactly how they appear in the credits. So exactly the same place (you'll notice for the Visual Effects credit that VFX Producers appear between the VFX Supervisor and the On Set VFX Supervisor).
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I would not enter them, if there is a general equivalent (without the On-Set in front). If there is no other special effects guy, art director, etc. credited, then I'd list them...


I totally understand how someone could see these credits that way for sure. It's one of the reasons I started the thread.

To me, just to me personally, I'm not sure that makes sense anymore.

Like, does having the words On Set somehow disqualify the Art Director from being entered? If there's an Art Director working directly on the set, and one that's not, and the one that's not gets credited just as Art Director, why should the one that's working on the set get left out just because the one that's working off set is credited a certain way?

With the exception of the Sound credit under the sound section, and special effects coordinator (I think that's all), we don't have stipulations that say "don't enter xxxxxxx credit if xxxxxxxx is credited". BUT, we do have a note that says "If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles)". And I guess I'm just wondering if these credits, with the words on set (they're still doing the same job they're just doing it in a different place and that's made note of in the credits) would qualify as a direct translation.


I am NOT saying you are incorrect or that what you're saying doesn't make sense... because it TOTALLY does and it's why I've never entered them before, but now I'm just wondering this stuff, ya know?
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I voted to allow them because an Art Director is an Art Director whether they have a prefix or not. To me it seems that an On Set Art Director would have just as much, if not more expertise to handle the added pressure of being on set.
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An art director can be a profession or a function. From my point of view it is not relevant what profession a person is able to fullfill but what function was achieved for the movie in question. If there is one person credited as art director, all others are helping hands to him, maybe very skilled ones, but not the one and only person in charge. For me it would be enough to enter the head and leave out all others.

As in many other cases, I think less is more...
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Quoting Merrik:
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Anyone who voted either way want to weigh in with why you feel this way?

I haven't voted, but you've already suggested a good argument for not including them:

Quoting Merrik:
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I can only speak for this specific case at the moment as even though I've seen quite a few On Set xxxxxxxx credits, since they're not tracked that way in the system (or not in the profiles at all), I wouldn't exactly know which profiles to go back into to look at those specific credits.


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