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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDevion27
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if an actor or actress has a double in the credits do we add them to the datebase?
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Actors who appear in the main feature may be included.

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if an actor or actress has a double in the credits do we add them to the datebase?


This is uncovered by the rules, but I don't contribute stunts and doubles credits.
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I'd say that if they are listed in the cast section, then yes include them.
We do that for Stunt people, so see no reason for not including Doubles.

(on a related note, I'd really like to see Stunt people be officially added to the cast section. Many of them also are actors, just seems odd to not include their stunt credits)
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No.

We don't list stunt personel. Why should we list doubles (less risky but quite the the same purpose as stunt/wo/men).
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I've seen many stunt people contributed over the years.

On a related note, some don't want to credit stunt people, but I have seen Helicopter Pilots be credited in the cast.

They're listed in the cast section, but did they actually play a Helicopter Pilot or actually were a Helicopter Pilot for the film crew? We can't know for sure just by going by the cast.

In the Blue Thunder profile there is a cast member named Kevin P Donnelly credited as Double Pilot.

What in the world is that?
Does that mean that he was a double for a pilot?
Is that allowed?
Is that crew?

Below that is credited Calvin Brown credited as Utility Stuntman.
Why is he listed? Perhaps because he's listed among the cast, right above the last cast member Lucinda Crosby as Bel-Air Woman.

I know that this will just go into a long debate without a decision one way or another. And neither does it answer if Doubles are allowed or not.

And then we have the matter of ADR cast being contributed even though they are listed minutes after the main cast. Same thing with Puppeteers who are also listed way after the main cast.

As a community, if possible, we need to decide what is or isn't cast or crew and what we want to see contributed or not.

Personally I see cast as any person who appears or is heard onscreen. Be it an actor, a double, voice actor, motion capture actor or whatever. As long as they are somehow portraying a character onscreen, I would consider them as cast. Even if that character is unnamed or hardly seen.
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Personally I see cast as any person who appears or is heard onscreen. Be it an actor, a double, voice actor, motion capture actor or whatever. As long as they are somehow portraying a character onscreen, I would consider them as cast. Even if that character is unnamed or hardly seen.


ADR and loop crew don't portrait any character onscreeen, as foley crew.
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if an actor or actress has a double in the credits do we add them to the datebase?

My opinion: no. No doubles and no stunt crew, period.

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I know that this will just go into a long debate without a decision one way or another.

Indeed... 
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I've seen many stunt people contributed over the years.

It does not work to use breaches of a rule set as an example to argue something being allowed.
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I've seen many stunt people contributed over the years.

I've seen huge amounts of IMDb-mined data being contributed (and accepted!) into the database - to this day, in fact. Let's not argue that that makes it alright.
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No.

We don't list stunt personel.

Why?  If we can document uncredited extras I don't know why we should specifically have to exclude stunt people seen onscreen.

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if an actor or actress has a double in the credits do we add them to the datebase?

My opinion: no. No doubles and no stunt crew, period.

Quoting CubbyUps:
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I know that this will just go into a long debate without a decision one way or another.

Indeed... 


This...on both counts.
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No.

We don't list stunt personel.

Why?  If we can document uncredited extras I don't know why we should specifically have to exclude stunt people seen onscreen.

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Ditto.

I fail to see the logic in not allowing them at all.
They appear onscreen, they aren't crew in my opinion.

Besides, if one looks at the stunt people, many of them are also actors.
So in a way, by not including their stunt work we are not having a complete database or even an accurate one.
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