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Jack the Giant Killer
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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The Kino bluray release of Jack the Giant Killer contains both the original version and the "re-envisioned" musical version. Since they are not just different cuts, they are essentially two different films. The front cover just says "Jack the Giant Killer". The menu has them both equally prominent; "Play Original Version" and "Play Musical Version".

Should they be entered as a box set of the two films, or should it be entered as a single movie with the original version, and the musical version as a bonus feature under Other Features?
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Not familiar with that movie, but as far as I understand it should be treated as a single movie with the longer version being what's profiled (provided that one of these are longer than the other).

I'd note the Musical Version in Other Features.

That said, I have seen profiles that contain different cuts of the same movie be treated as box sets. But usually they are contained on different discs.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Yeah, but when lots of dialog has been replaced by songs, it doesn't really feel like it is the same film. Although the rules mention multiple versions, it expemplifies with different cuts. And these are definitely not just different cuts.
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Well, I'm just not familiar with the movie or this different cut/edition.

Perhaps someone else who does will chime in with their opinion.

The rules aren't really too clear on a situation such as this except that some may infer that regardless it is the same film and should be treated as such.

Perhaps the best way is to contribute the changes as you see fit and let the voters and finally the screeners determine if it's okay or not.
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I would enter it as a Bonus Feature Film.
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So would I.
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OK, bonus feature it is. And since the original version happens to be a couple of minutes longer than the musical, it's not a problem.

BUT ... what if that awful musical version had been longer. Would you have profiled it as the main feature and added the original only as bonus feature? And if not, why?
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Just to make sure we are on the same page I am talking about:
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Bonus Feature Films The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release.

Based on your description, and what I was able to find online, this appears to fit that description.  There is no mention of the musical version on the front cover so, for me, the nonmusical version is the main feature.  Whenever possible, I prefer to profile 'as packaged and sold'.

Cubby's suggestion is equally valid, this is just what I would do.
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Well, there is no mention of any version on the front cover, so I don't see how that would indicate which version that is the main feature. Both versions have the same title in the opening credits.

The original version is listed first in the main menu. I might accept that as indication that it is the main feature. But the rules only mention running time, so if the musical version had been longer I would have been ambivalent.
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Quoting GSyren:
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Well, there is no mention of any version on the front cover, so I don't see how that would indicate which version that is the main feature. Both versions have the same title in the opening credits.

The original version is listed first in the main menu. I might accept that as indication that it is the main feature. But the rules only mention running time, so if the musical version had been longer I would have been ambivalent.

The rules only mention running time when referring to "branching titles, or those with multiple versions (e.g. Theatrical and Director's Cut) on the same disc.  Since you said these aren't different cuts, for me, that rule does not apply.

The rules say that a Bonus Feature Film is any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release.  Nothing is said about run time.

If you go by run time, then it is an alternate version and it is listed in the other features section.  If it is a Bonus Feature Film, it gets its own profile.

I'm not asking you to accept anything as I honestly don't care how you choose to profile it.
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I'm just curious ...

Both films are titled "Jack the Giant Killer" and that's what's on the front cover. Nowhere is any of them described as a bonus. How do you determine that one is a bonus feature, and how do you determine which one?
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Quoting GSyren:
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I'm just curious ...

Both films are titled "Jack the Giant Killer" and that's what's on the front cover. Nowhere is any of them described as a bonus. How do you determine that one is a bonus feature, and how do you determine which one?


I maybe the oddball out here, but if it's no listed anywhere as Bonus Material (Menu or case) then to me it's just an alternate edition of the same film and should be listed in the other features.

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Bonus Feature Films The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release.



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    Previous movie versions, example "Ben-Hur: Four-Disc Collector's Edition" which includes the 1925 version.
    Companion movie bonuses, example "Season of the Witch" which includes "There's Always Vanilla" from the same director.


Since it's not listed as a bonus, nor is it a previous version nor a different companion film then as far as I can tell it doesn't qualify as a bonus film.

But that's just me.
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