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Should cast/crew be included in sets where the movie is included in a big box full of other stuff?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
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For example, from Warner Bros. they have released many box sets that come with a bunch of trinkets and stuff and the movie is in it's own case withing a big box containing everything.

For example.
Blade Runner: 30th Anniversary Collector's Edition
Citizen Kane: 70th Anniversary Ultimate Collector's Edition
Forbidden Planet: Ultimate Collector's Edition: 50th Anniversary Edition
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory: 40th Anniversary Ultimate Collector's Edition

or
Star Trek Beyond: Limited Edition Gift Set
Jurassic World: Limited Edition Collectible Giftset
Jurassic World: Limited Edition Gift Set

Each of those include the cast and crew for the box itself, even when the movie itself is inside in it's own case.

Shouldn't the main box profile be basically blank of all film data and the only data should be what pertains to the box itself such as release date and the trinkets contents entered in the Other Features section?
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Your examples are not Box Sets. Per rules: "The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film."
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Well whatever you want to call them.

The question still is valid.
Why should the cast/crew be credited in the outer case for a set that includes the movie in it's own case within that larger case?
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Personally, I treat these "swag boxes" as unnumbered parent profiles without any cast/crew or specs and the discs in cases inside as children with all the data. But I keep them all local, not sure what is the proper way so I do it how I like. It also helps me keep track of appox how many movies I own.
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The outer packaging still represents the particular movie.  How many layers you have to peel back to get to the disc(s) is beside the point.  How each of those layers is represented is beside the point.  If the given SKU represents a single movie title for instance I don't see the point in not including all the data for that movie under the parent profile, irrespective of whether it's decided to include child profiles as well.  If you want to have to drill down to a child profile before you can see the cast/crew details knock yourself out.  I don't see what's accomplished using that approach, but to each his own.
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Well whatever you want to call them.

The question still is valid.
Why should the cast/crew be credited in the outer case for a set that includes the movie in it's own case within that larger case?


I don't understand why you want more than one profile, for just "one" movie.
Your examples are a single movie, with a "bunch of trinkets and stuff".
As far as I know, we don't create an "on-line" profile for trinkets and stuff.
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Well whatever you want to call them.

The question still is valid.
Why should the cast/crew be credited in the outer case for a set that includes the movie in it's own case within that larger case?


You, choose to have 2 profiles, for one movie.

Other, people may just want one profile, what "you" are calling the outside case, because they want to track the UPC they purchased. Why should they be denied having the cast and crew in their profile.

If you choose, to have both the "outside case UPC Profile" and the "inside case UPC Profile", I believe you should "locally edit" your "pair" into a "local box set" modified the way you want, that you keep locked.
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I still fail to see how cast and crew can be credited to a box when the movie itself is in another case.

The box is just packaging. It's not a case.

To me it's like when I buy groceries and I just buy one type of cereal and put in a bag.
I wouldn't say that the bag is cereal, it's a bag. The boxes of cereal within is the cereal.
Or put it this way, If I were doing an ingredient list I wouldn't list the ingredients on the bag, they belong only on the boxes of the cereal itself.

To me having the cast/crew with the box doesn't represent accurately how the movie is. After all in many cases the movie is contained in a standard case and not a Box. It misrepresents the actual contents.
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I still fail to see how cast and crew can be credited to a box when the movie itself is in another case.

The box is just packaging. It's not a case.


You are discussing "box" and "packaging" - this is covered under Case Type.

By entering the data on the outside box you know that this film is packaged in a "box", typically a Custom Case. Therefore you know what these special editions contain.

Since the contents of these editions only contain one movie, we treat them as we would any other single film.

These editions are not box sets and should not be treated as such as far as the online database is concerned.
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So let's say that instead of a box that the trinkets and the case containing the movie was just shrink wrapped together. So according the logic the shrink wrap would be a custom case and the cast/crew would be applied to the shrink wrapping " Custom" case?

Now does that sound logical?
It doesn't to me.
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The box is just packaging. It's not a case.

A case is a kind of packaging, too. There can be another kind of box around that case, but that's not unusual: there are huge amounts of keepcases with a Slip Cover around it. Yet nobody would even think about making an empty profile for the Slip Cover, with a child profile for the actual keepcase, right? The only difference here is that, unlike the keep case + slip cover scenario, the inner box has it's own UPC/EAN. That's not unique, either: I actually own a movie in a keep case with a slip cover where each has it's own (different!) UPC/EAN-code, so that can happen as well. But no, I didn't make an empty profile for the slip cover there, with the keepcase as the child. I don't see how this should be any different.

The good thing is that in most cases, both profiles will be in the database, because the smaller case inside the big box will most likely also be available without all the "trinkets and stuff". That allows everyone to set this up how they like it with the least amount of effort. If you want the child profile, you can. The only thing that you need to do locally is to link the child and to remove all data you don't want from the parent. That's a whole lot less work that forcing everyone else that only wants one profile for one movie to have to manually add all cast/crew and other data to that profile. So to me, that seems to be the best way to handle this: everything under the UPC/EAN of the "big box". Those that want to use the child profile can, those that don't, don't. If we do it the other way around, if we strip the "big box" profile of most data, then that generates a lot more work for everyone who doesn't need a child profile.
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Okay, let's look at the Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory box set and how it's profiled.
UPC #883929174416

At this moment, the cast/crew is associated with the large box.
The artwork is that of the large box that holds everything.

Now the blu-ray and dvd is contained in a digipak that looks like a candy bar being unwrapped.
However, only the dvd child shows this candy bar case. The blu-ray is only associated with the huge outer box.

Now does that accurately reflect the way the blu-ray and dvd are packaged together?
No it doesn't.
It makes it look like the blu-ray is in the huge box and that the dvd is in it's own and separate candy bar digipak.

To me, to accurately represent the packaging, the blu-ray should have the same artwork as the dvd in the same candy bar digipak.

Think of it this way. If you were to do repackage any of these "swag' boxes and how they are profiled in real life in most (if not all cases) you'd have to take the blu-ray out of it's standard case and put the blu-ray loose in the larger box and keep the dvd (if it came with one) in it's separate case.

Basically, trying to replicate how the packaging is in real life and to me the cast/crew doesn't belong in the large "swag" box. The cast/crew only belongs with the actual case that's holding the discs.

After all one could throw away the large "swag" box and still have the discs in the case that it came in.

At least one person sees what I'm trying to get at.
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At least one person sees what I'm trying to get at.

I really believe I get it, too.

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After all one could throw away the large "swag" box and still have the discs in the case that it came in.

Of course. In which case, I would personally list it under the UPC/EAN of that particular case. After all, if I threw the large "swag" box out, I'd have no need for the the the UPC/EAN of that box.

Again, I absolutely understand why some users would want to use the parent-child set-up, sure. Then again, I also understand that some users don't want two profiles when they've bought one movie. I can see both, really I do. The thing is: you want to force that last group to use two profiles, while it's a lot easier for everyone involved to do it the other way around. If both the profile for the "big box" and the profile of the "smaller" box within are fully filled with all data, then both camps can set this up in their local database with the least amount of effort. Those that want to profile the empty box just have some deleting to do, which is a lot less work than asking those who don't want the child profile to have to fill an empty parent profile from scratch. This is not about who's right - it's about using the form that works the best for everyone.
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At least one person sees what I'm trying to get at.

I really believe I get it, too.

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After all one could throw away the large "swag" box and still have the discs in the case that it came in.

Of course. In which case, I would personally list it under the UPC/EAN of that particular case. After all, if I threw the large "swag" box out, I'd have no need for the the the UPC/EAN of that box.

Again, I absolutely understand why some users would want to use the parent-child set-up, sure. Then again, I also understand that some users don't want two profiles when they've bought one movie. I can see both, really I do. The thing is: you want to force that last group to use two profiles, while it's a lot easier for everyone involved to do it the other way around. If both the profile for the "big box" and the profile of the "smaller" box within are fully filled with all data, then both camps can set this up in their local database with the least amount of effort. Those that want to profile the empty box just have some deleting to do, which is a lot less work than asking those who don't want the child profile to have to fill an empty parent profile from scratch. This is not about who's right - it's about using the form that works the best for everyone.


Well we force people to download multiple profiles for box sets containing multiple movies or even in some case the same movie in different versions.
So why would adding one more category to that be a big deal.

As far as "lease amount of effort" well in reality doing a profile is a big effort. Trying to figure out common names or documenting a needed birth year and searching for links to prove the case takes time and a lot of effort.

In fact, I'd say creating a profile or just linking a current profile to be a part of a "swag" box would be less work since in most cases that profile already exists. It's just a matter of putting it into the "Swag" box.

But, I'm all over this and frankly don't care anymore. Got more important things to do.
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