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WARNING: wrong disc id with Windows 10 Update 1809
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorvectar
Registered: May 9, 2007
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So here is my question
I have been asked GreyHulk to stop submitting Disc ID.
I have read the information here...
So I buy a brand new DVD and input into DVD profiler and submit obviously the Disc ID according to everyone here will be incorrect. as it will not be read as it was read prior to some update. Are we just supposed to stop using the Disc Id period?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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Are we just supposed to stop using the Disc Id period?

That's pretty much impossible to ask. Users *will* continue to contribute Disc ID's and Disc ID-based profiles into the database on a daily basis, including many users who won't have even seen this thread, and are blissfully unaware of the problem. This really is something that Invelos should address...
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorvectar
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I agree that we need direction
as I see it all Movies that are newer than the upgrade are incorrect or all prior are incorrect.
At some point it needs to be addressed.

As long as it consistently read by the same then what is the problem update as we go along.
If it isn't then Invelos will need to treat it like the Other and is not submitted
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCyclograph
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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Are Microsoft aware that this is a problem?


I don't really think that this is even on their radar. Does anyone know for what - outside of DVDP - of course, the DVD DiscId is used?

Has anyone checked if a CD DiscId has changed also? Because that would impact the CDDB - that is if people are still buying audio CDs.


IIRC way back when 'long' discID format was first implemented in Profiler, it required a particular minimum version of DirectX be installed to work. I think its original function then was for use similar to that of CDDB, i.e. as a key for local library management within media player.
If this was intended just as a local db data key though, then probably MS won't care less about it changing now in 1809 unless it adversely affects some other public db they're responsible for.

Assuming there is any development ever again for DVDP, probably the ideal path would be to just generate the key entirely within Profiler, just as is done for BDs.... though would obviously need to be coded as to match legacy IDs.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorGreyHulk
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Has anyone found a workaround that will work for everyone?

We know SlySoft AnyDVD seems to fix the issue, but it was never free and is even more expensive now.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
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I just go forward with the new ID, where else could I go?

I just contributed Disc profiles to complete box sets which didn't have disc profiles. So no one bothered the contribute old disc IDs before, so mine are as good as any.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Is this really a big problem? DVD Profiler supports multiple disc id:s. This isn't all that different from the same UPC having different id:s. So if someone contributes one id and some else contributes the other, then we're good, right?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorlala-la
Registered: December 22, 2007
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Quoting GreyHulk:
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Are Microsoft aware that this is a problem?

Is this a Microsoft problem? Or is it the problem how the DVD profiler generates the disc IDs? Does anyone know how the disc IDs are generated?

CyberLink's (PowerDVD) database still works correct.

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Has anyone checked if a CD DiscId has changed also? Because that would impact the CDDB - that is if people are still buying audio CDs.

Still works fine. But there are two CDDB databases - CDDB1 (= the original CDDB / old format) and CDDB2 (new format). The two are incompatible with each other.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormarcelb7
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Is this really a big problem? DVD Profiler supports multiple disc id:s. This isn't all that different from the same UPC having different id:s. So if someone contributes one id and some else contributes the other, then we're good, right?

At the moment, none of the existing discs can be found by scanning the disc, if you have Win10/1809/1903 installed. I'm certainly not in the mood to rescan 3000+ discs for a new disc id, and submit these. And even if I submitted the new disc id, would the old one still be there for real? I've never tried it.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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At the moment, none of the existing discs can be found by scanning the disc, if you have Win10/1809/1903 installed.

Ok, that is annoying. But again, is it a big problem? The reason I'm asking is that some posts here make it sound like this is making Profiler more or less unusable. Btw, shouldn't that be "non of the existing DVDs"? Unless I have misunderstood, the blu-rays will still be ok.

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And even if I submitted the new disc id, would the old one still be there for real?

Yes. Why else would Invelos have encouraged us to submit alternative disc id:s?
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Registered: March 14, 2007
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This is stopping me from creating alternate disc id child profiles for Randolph Scott Westerns Collection: TCM Vault Collection. This has 2 movies on each disc. I was going to split them further into 4 movies but noted the different disc id's.

Invelos needs to sort it out as to whether the old disc id's are kept and we create new ones.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorGreyHulk
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But SlySoft AnyDVD proves that the DVDs are being scanned incorrectly. We DEFINITELY shouldn't be contributing these 'new' ones.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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We DEFINITELY shouldn't be contributing these 'new' ones.

But most users won't even be aware of this. As such, they're entering the database no matter what. Only Invelos can address this, really, but if they don't, then there's no stopping this.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorrdodolak
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Ok, that is annoying. But again, is it a big problem?


Since Rutan mentioned alternate disc IDs this does pose an issue with that as it could lead to duplicate information for the same disc and further fragments the database.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributoriPatsa
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Apparently people who are fully aware of this (even linking to this thread in their contribution notes) are beginning to contribute the new (or wrong?) disc IDs. I feel inclined to vote no to this but I'm not sure if I should even care...
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKatatonia
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Apparently people who are fully aware of this (even linking to this thread in their contribution notes) are beginning to contribute the new (or wrong?) disc IDs. I feel inclined to vote no to this but I'm not sure if I should even care...


Yes, I've seen it too and have just been voting Neutral. I don't think they should be knowingly contributed, at least at this point... and certainly not for thousands upon thousands of profiles in the database.

I think it's already been proven that these are really not accurate Disc ID's? Since AnyDVD will still give the correct old Disc ID's.

If Ken or someone would come out and make some kind of ruling on this, it would help things immeasurably.
Corey
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