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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Aren't we smart enough to come up with our OWN answer. If I wanted to use IMDb I would be logging my collection over there.

Skip
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I am admittedly hard-headed and stubborn as a mule, you have also seen me numerous times  change my opinion IF and when someone can come up wiuth a rational argument that I can buy.


At the risk of starting more bickering, you are the one making this about you.  We don't need to come up with a rational argument that you can buy into.  We need to come up with a solution that the majority can live with and, most importantly, one we can sell to Ken and Gerri.

There are way too many 'I's' and 'me's' in your posts.  Please, please, I am begging you...get out of that mindset.  We will get a lot more done that way.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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IMDb Statistics Page

IMDb lists 281,957 AKA names in their database. Let's please not start a thread and have to vote and agree on common names for potentially that many actors and crew.

If we use the IMDb name as the baseline and allow for users to prove, on a case by case basis if issues come up, that IMDb is wrong on a certain 'common name' choice, that should cover it.

Indeed! Please let's not try to re-invent the wheel just because a few very vocal users can't get over their issues with IMDb. I very much agree with James's suggestion (bold added by me).
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Quoting skipnet50:
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I am admittedly hard-headed and stubborn as a mule, you have also seen me numerous times  change my opinion IF and when someone can come up wiuth a rational argument that I can buy.


At the risk of starting more bickering, you are the one making this about you.  We don't need to come up with a rational argument that you can buy into.  We need to come up with a solution that the majority can live with and, most importantly, one we can sell to Ken and Gerri.

There are way too many 'I's' and 'me's' in your posts.  Please, please, I am begging you...get out of that mindset.  We will get a lot more done that way.


Unicus:

I am not seeing very much useful here, at the moment, though I keep hoping. What are we on now Page 10 and most of that WASTED space and you aren't helping. Just adding more wasted space. I am desperately searching for an reasonable answer to this conundrum that hopefully will solve our problem, and an answer that is unique to Profiler and NOT dependent on someone else.

Skip
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Billy Video
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Unicus:

I am not seeing very much useful here, at the moment, though I keep hoping. What are we on now Page 10 and most of that WASTED space and you aren't helping. Just adding more wasted space. I am desperately searching for an reasonable answer to this conundrum that hopefully will solve our problem, and an answer that is unique to Profiler and NOT dependent on someone else.

Skip


There you go with all that 'I' stuff.  Remember, this isn't about you.

We tried to come up with reasonable answers, in the thread Gerri created for us, but you kept inserting yourself into the discussion as if we needed to come up with something that you approved of.  Because of that, the discussion went way off base and ended up getting locked.  Once Gerri decides to start a new discussion thread we will, once again, try and come up with reasonable answers.  I can only hope that it stays on track next time.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I am not the one saying it is about me, unicus.And thank you again for the earlier help. Everybody else seems to want to make it about me. Speaking for myself I want to see a solution that is Profiler's answer and is NOT dependent on ANYONE else, pick your poison IMDb, AMG TCMDb or whoever. I can only saying that I am poring over the problem here in hopes of coming up with a Eureka moment, I would also be more than happy to see someone else come up with it. I am willing to support anything that 1) makes sense and 2) does not depend on some other source to work, but nothing has been thrown out there that meets those criteria...yet.<fingers crossed>

Stop trying to make it about me and therefore wasting valuable space. I don't have anything close to the ego that you seem to believe I have, in fact, I am not even certain I have an ego. It is not my worry who comes up with the answer as long as we find it.

I noticed you used I, Unicus. I could always refer to yself in the third person.

Skip
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Billy Video
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Skip - you say you do not want to "depend on some other source". Please try to understand that for consistency we need to rely on some source... As long as there's not a page on invelos.com that tells us the common names for all possible cast and crew names (that'd be the ultimate source), that source is bound to be something external. As James indicated, we can not possibly start 'deciding on a common name' threads for hundreds of thousands cast and crew names. There might be a couple of users who'd be willing to do that, but for consistency's sake we need to cater for all users.

I repeat: let's not try to re-invent the wheel here. Let's just use the IMDb name as the baseline and allow for users to prove, on a case by case basis if issues come up, that IMDb is wrong on a certain 'common name' choice.
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I repeat: let's not try to re-invent the wheel here. Let's just use the IMDb name as the baseline and allow for users to prove, on a case by case basis if issues come up, that IMDb is wrong on a certain 'common name' choice.


I understand what you are saying T!M but we definately need Ken to sign off on this first.  If he decides, as he did over at IVS, that IMDb is not to be used, there is no point in even discussing it.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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I noticed you used I, Unicus. I could always refer to yself in the third person.


Yes, I did.  But I used it in reference to something that I desire.  When I talk about things that deal with the entire community, I use 'we'. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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I understand what you are saying T!M but we definately need Ken to sign off on this first.  If he decides, as he did over at IVS, that IMDb is not to be used, there is no point in even discussing it.

Obviously!
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I understand what you are saying T!M but we definately need Ken to sign off on this first.  If he decides, as he did over at IVS, that IMDb is not to be used, there is no point in even discussing it.

Obviously!


Yea, I know I stated the obvious...but I was hoping that would help avoid more fighting about this...for the time being. 

That and it is 2:42 a.m. here and I have been up since 8 a.m....and with that I bid you a very good night...err...morning. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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I don't know if IMDB is the answer or not... of course we all have to wait for Ken and Gerri on that decision... but I do agree that since we have to have a common name we need a source that is easily accessable for everyone.

Obviously, it is not a good idea to run a case by case discussion on the forums here for a couple reasons... first we would never get anything done as everything seems to have to be argued out to multiple pages in the forum. Plus as been said many times... not everyone will (or should have to) come to the forums. We need something that is easily explained and understood in the rules.
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IMDb Statistics Page

IMDb lists 281,957 AKA names in their database. Let's please not start a thread and have to vote and agree on common names for potentially that many actors and crew.

If we use the IMDb name as the baseline and allow for users to prove, on a case by case basis if issues come up, that IMDb is wrong on a certain 'common name' choice, that should cover it.



No, it won't.  IMDB can't be trusted.  Period.  If they get anything right, it's by accident!  I would go along with using TCMdb, however.  To date, I haven't found any errors in their data, and they don't get anything from IMDB.
John

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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantchibul
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You make yourself the focus with your negativity toward others.

Just because YOU think the ideas are bad doesn't mean they are.

I think many of us are more than willing to move on with this without your support - it's certainly not required.



Chilbul:

When I am attacked I will respond. I gave my opinions on Hal's ideas, ALONG with an explanation as to why. If you want to deabte ideas, let's do so. I am NOT up for debate by YOU or anyone else.

The typical problem is that my rationale are generally hard to argue with, even if a given user doesn't wish to admit it. Not impossible and I am always willing to change an opinion, it happens quite frequently in fact, but I will not be swayed by insults, derogatory comments, or personal attacks. In fact that only convinces me that I am correct in my opinion, the person is unable to come up with a convincing counter argument and results to name-calling, etc. You have stated that this is a new start, but you have yet to make a single post, I have seen that does not represent some form an attack on me. Stop it NOW.

You want to talk ideas, fine let's talk. Otherwise be quiet.

Skip


You just don't get it.

I will NOT take your opinion seriously as long as you continue to talk down to me. You don't tell me "Stop it NOW". You don't order me around. You are not above me in any way.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorhayley taylor
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Quoting m.cellophane:
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IMDb Statistics Page

IMDb lists 281,957 AKA names in their database. Let's please not start a thread and have to vote and agree on common names for potentially that many actors and crew.



How would we get this list - I looked on the site but couldn't see an actual list of the common names in use?

Or the TCMdb list that John refers to, is there a downloadable version?

Surely the common-sense starting point is to create a list from either of the above which will be at worse 90% correct, and then discussions/polls or whatever can be discussed over the element that may be wrong/questionable.
The end-product after after a certain time of amendments would then be as close to 100% accurate, and thus unique to DVDP.

To start the list from scratch, seems to me like trying to reinvent the wheel again 


For the rules, we can determine how 'common' names are to be standardised, such as Jr., etc etc, with a discussion thread perhaps around Hal's suggestions in the now closed threads? 

My thoughts anyway for what they are worth 
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No, it won't.  IMDB can't be trusted.  Period.  If they get anything right, it's by accident!  I would go along with using TCMdb, however.  To date, I haven't found any errors in their data, and they don't get anything from IMDB.


Any "other" site will be user built so it will always have some percentage of errors. The Dbs at IVS and Invelos currently have many errors.

IMO the better known the site is and the larger the site is the better the chance the users will know of it and know their way around it to get the information we want. IMDb certainly fits those requirements.

We also need to make sure where ever we use there is a large Db of TV shows and their actors included. A quick check of TCMdb shows no TV series. I did find some TV Movies but not the series themselves. I searched for "All in the Family" "Sledge Hammer" and "Lost". One classic, one more obscure and one currently popular show and found nothing.
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