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Tron: Legacy physical media question
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantkd5
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I have Tron: Legacy 3D - Blu-Ray 3D + Blu-Ray 2D + DVD + Digital Copy deluxe w/ slipcover, UPC# 7 8693680874 2.

Recently, there were changes made to this profile, at least ATTEMPTED changes, which were actually made to a wholly different video: Tron: Legacy - 2-Movie Collection - Blu-Ray 3D + Blu-Ray 2D + DVD + Digital Copy, plus Tron: The Original Classic, presumably also in 3D, 5-Disc Combo Pack, UPC# 7 8693681153 7.

Why would changes that were made to this 2-Movie Collection, a wholly different video with a different UPC#, try to overwrite everything (covers, profile, overview + + + ) in this completely different single movie release?  Why would those attempted changes have even been approved? 

I can understand that disc IDs are probably the same for the 3D/2D discs in both packages but that doesn't excuse the fact that these changes wanted to overwrite everything in a completely different media release. 

I denied all the changes, but it made me question why these attempted changes, affecting so completely, a wholly different release, would have been approved in the first place.
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Well, that's a problem that we have with profiles added by disc id if these discs are part of more than one parent profile. Some of the data refers to the parent profile, especially if the child is in the same case as the parent (covers and overview for example).

Ideally when the disc is used for another parent, such parent profile related data should be kept local, not contributed. It should be "first come, first served", so to speak. Only disc related data should be updated, since it should be the same regardsless of parent. Not everyone realizes this.

So, there is not much to do, except lock the parent related parts so they don't get overwritten.
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Of course another solution is to create alternate IDs so as to have the correct images and release dates. This is helpful for people who have the same disc in different sets in their collection. Echo Bridge is notorious for using the same disc in multiple sets, even multiple sets within their Midnight Horror series, so alternate IDs help with the cataloguing, so that your don't end up with, say, a 10-movie set with only five child profiles because the other five are under a different 10-movie set in your collection.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Of course another solution is to create alternate IDs so as to have the correct images and release dates.

True, but I'm not fond of that solution. One of the most requested features for DVD Profiler has been to separate movie data from other data in order to avoid duplication of effort. And I like that thought.

Creating alternate IDs like this goes against that idea. It means creating more duplication of data, so any corrections to the movie data in one set is not carried over to the other set.
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Why would changes that were made to this 2-Movie Collection, a wholly different video with a different UPC#, try to overwrite everything (covers, profile, overview + + + ) in this completely different single movie release?  Why would those attempted changes have even been approved? 


Because the two discs are the same between the two packages and someone didn't correct the problem by making a new profile for the other release via creating an alternate ID profile.

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This is helpful for people who have the same disc in different sets in their collection.

Yup.  I have 4 copies of Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein, because it's in four different collections.
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The best I can tell both were released on the same day. How can you tell which one was first? There are already alternate versions created for other versions.
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I'm certainly in favour of centralized credits that can be added to different disc IDs, as long as there was leeway for variants (due to different cuts, or names in credits being translated in some versions; maybe some cuts of a movie list John Doe as playing The Man in Black while others list him as L'homme en noir). Beyond those caveats I do like the idea.

As things stand though, multiple records of the same movie/show are inevitable even if you start restricting alternate IDs: the same movie appears on different disc IDs, the movie has the same ID but one copy is listed by UPC and the other by disc ID (because it's sold both separately and as a set), the same disc ID has two different UPCs (e.g. due to different packaging, though I have seen DVDs where the only diiscernible difference was the UPC itself), or the movie has different names (I've sometimes found credits in foreign variants doing some detective work but not everyone will bother with that, especially if the variant isn't the original title). Alternate IDs for same movie isn't perfect but right now it's the best option if you want to catalogue your entire collection and be able to tell from a quick search where all the movie appears. .

The good news is that if someone corrects a cast/crew error in one copy of a movie they have, chances are they'll correct the same error in every other copy of the movie that they own.
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Well, that's a problem that we have with profiles added by disc id if these discs are part of more than one parent profile. Some of the data refers to the parent profile, especially if the child is in the same case as the parent (covers and overview for example).

Ideally when the disc is used for another parent, such parent profile related data should be kept local, not contributed. It should be "first come, first served", so to speak. Only disc related data should be updated, since it should be the same regardsless of parent. Not everyone realizes this.

So, there is not much to do, except lock the parent related parts so they don't get overwritten.

Doesn't it also fall to the people approving the contribution to oversee these duplications and possible overwriting of other profiles and to guard against such duplication and overwriting?  Or would that heap an unsustainable burden on those people?
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