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Registered: March 21, 2007 | Posts: 171 |
| Posted: | | | | I contributed new images for Matrix. The yes votes outnumber the no votes at this time by 85 to 16. It is obvious that both sides have strong feelings about these images. It will be interesting to see if these new images are approved or not.
My subject question of "What is to be done?" stems from a couple of no votes:
One no vote says: muddy whites While another no vote says: whites are too bright
Also, how can many no votes say the colors are wrong, while at the same time many of the yes votes say the colors are right? | | | Graham | | | Last edited: by FUBAR |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | You'd be amazed at how different the same image can look on different monitors. Unfortunately, without forcing people to configuring their monitor with a particular colour profile, there's no way to avoid this problem. I would let the contribution go through and let Ken & Gerri make the final decision. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | Ken and Gerri have the title in question. My guess is they will pull it off the shelf and compare it to what you have submitted. As Northbloke said: Quote: I would let the contribution go through and let Ken & Gerri make the final decision. |
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Registered: March 21, 2007 | Posts: 171 |
| Posted: | | | | To: Northbloke and Lyonsden5
I do understand what the two of you are saying. It is just unbelievably frustrating.
When I vote and I see that the vast majority are voting opposite to what would have been my choice, and my choice wasn't as clear cut as it should have been, then I usually vote neutral, or I pay closer attention to the images in question, and then I am very clear in my notes when I vote no. But most often it is a neutral vote. | | | Graham |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,022 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting FUBAR: Quote: To: Northbloke and Lyonsden5
I do understand what the two of you are saying. It is just unbelievably frustrating.
When I vote and I see that the vast majority are voting opposite to what would have been my choice, and my choice wasn't as clear cut as it should have been, then I usually vote neutral, or I pay closer attention to the images in question, and then I am very clear in my notes when I vote no. But most often it is a neutral vote. I wouldn't get too hung up about it Graham, it happens regularly and is generally what has been said above - different monitors, settings and eyes, not anything more to read into it IMO I've got a 30 or so yes votes to 1 no vote submission at the moment, but I know the no voter has just expressed his opinion At the end of the day it's up to the screener Hey Rick - you need to get your lab some water wings! | | | |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: You'd be amazed at how different the same image can look on different monitors. Unfortunately, without forcing people to configuring their monitor with a particular colour profile, there's no way to avoid this problem. I would let the contribution go through and let Ken & Gerri make the final decision. It's not just the monitor, either. Everybody's eyes are different, too. But another major factor is the video card you use, how the driver's are set up, how much video ram you have, and how many colors you have your video display set to use. All those factors can alter how you see a picture. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | With all those variables, it is amazing that we ever agree on anything. Luckily we are a tolerant lot | | | Hans |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: With all those variables, it is amazing that we ever agree on anything. Luckily we are a tolerant lot Say, What????!!! | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
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Registered: March 24, 2007 | Posts: 179 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Staid S Barr: Quote: With all those variables, it is amazing that we ever agree on anything. Luckily we are a tolerant lot Since when do we ever agree on anything??? Remember also that the rule says a new image must represent a significant improvement to the one already in the database with a title as common as The Matrix I would never try this its just not worth the hassle. | | | Brian |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting BYATES1: Quote:
Remember also that the rule says a new image must represent a significant improvement to the one already in the database with a title as common as The Matrix I would never try this its just not worth the hassle. However, one could (and it has been) argued on here (quite legitimately) that to some people any improvement is significant, so in fact that wording comes down to meaning "if you can't see any difference then vote No, if you can see a difference is it worse (vote No) or better (vote Yes)." | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote: Quoting BYATES1:
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Remember also that the rule says a new image must represent a significant improvement to the one already in the database with a title as common as The Matrix I would never try this its just not worth the hassle.
However, one could (and it has been) argued on here (quite legitimately) that to some people any improvement is significant, so in fact that wording comes down to meaning "if you can't see any difference then vote No, if you can see a difference is it worse (vote No) or better (vote Yes)." Ah, but were it that simple... I find that a number of "improved" scan submissions might be sharper, but at the expense of eliminating significant detail in either (or both) the darks or the lights. Or the overall scan is easier to read, but the color is significantly off. Many times, I see one area of improvement and one or more areas where the scan has significantly deteriorated. I vote no, and instantly gain PMs questioning my differences with the 22 yes votes they've received. I always state exactly why I voted no, but... | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote: Quoting BYATES1: However, one could (and it has been) argued on here (quite legitimately) that to some people any improvement is significant, so in fact that wording comes down to meaning "if you can't see any difference then vote No, if you can see a difference is it worse (vote No) or better (vote Yes)." Or consider the third option... | | | Hans |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote: Quoting Voltaire53:
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Remember also that the rule says a new image must represent a significant improvement to the one already in the database with a title as common as The Matrix I would never try this its just not worth the hassle.
However, one could (and it has been) argued on here (quite legitimately) that to some people any improvement is significant, so in fact that wording comes down to meaning "if you can't see any difference then vote No, if you can see a difference is it worse (vote No) or better (vote Yes)."
Ah, but were it that simple...
I find that a number of "improved" scan submissions might be sharper, but at the expense of eliminating significant detail in either (or both) the darks or the lights. Or the overall scan is easier to read, but the color is significantly off. FWIW I thought of that and decided my para "...if you can see a difference is it worse (vote No) or better (vote Yes)." still covers it, but it does become a judgement call what constitutes better/worse if one aspect improves but another worsens... and that's what voting is for | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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Registered: March 21, 2007 | Posts: 171 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote:
I find that a number of "improved" scan submissions might be sharper, but at the expense of eliminating significant detail in either (or both) the darks or the lights. Or the overall scan is easier to read, but the color is significantly off.
Many times, I see one area of improvement and one or more areas where the scan has significantly deteriorated. I vote no, and instantly gain PMs questioning my differences with the 22 yes votes they've received. I always state exactly why I voted no, but...
Perhaps your perception of whatever image you are looking at isn't correct. It would seem that way, as you say that " many times" you determine that an image warrants a No vote, and you instantly get PMs questioning your dissenting opinion with the " 22 yes votes" they had received up until your No vote. If you are willing to vote No and it is perceived by the contributor to be an incorrect vote due to all other evidence, then you must expect questioning PMs. I note you vote quite a bit, but rarely contribute. What is the saying?: Those who can, do, those who can't teach. | | | Graham |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,635 |
| Posted: | | | | So, FUBAR, you continue to insult me, even in public. There are more than 200 of my scans in the database from the previous incarnation of this program. Credits did not follow. Your scan had better blacks than the one in the database, but fewer than half the leaves on the front cover were still present, and all the detail in everyone pictured's hair was missing, and the outline of the hair was coletely gone. Yes, somewhat improved, but also, less quality. I like detail; I like to see what is on the cover: your scans failed (in my eyes). Try with far less contrast; keep the deep black, but try to keep detail in the dark areas, where there is detail in the original cover. Then I will gladly vote yes. You decided to cross me twice. You sent me a PM with nothing but insults. Now you take the evil turn. You remain blocked. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
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