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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
I'd like to see a "Report Bad Post" button. That could alert Invelos staff to something that needs their attention. Not me. Ken needs to devote time to making the product better. If there were a report bad post option, he'd never get back to programming.  | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
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I'd like to see a "Report Bad Post" button. That could alert Invelos staff to something that needs their attention.
Not me. Ken needs to devote time to making the product better. If there were a report bad post option, he'd never get back to programming. Never a truer word said. I think the time has come to appoint some moderators. | | | | Stuart |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,704 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I've got to agree with Enry, in order for automatic banning to work, you'd have to be sure that the people doing the blocking were doing it for the right reasons, not personal ones. I think, this has to be a matter of weighing. - It wouldn't be tolerable to exclude John Doe since you or I block him - for whatever reason. But if 20 valued participating members of the community block him, what does that say about the blocked person? - Is it really relevant why they blocked him? I tried to resist blocking for a long time because of this dilemma. I had to block John Doe mainly for personal reasons (I personally couldn't stand the comments anymore!) - I was fully aware of the fact that his input could be valuable and therefore I hesitated to use the blocking feature... - But the time came, when I had to weigh the pros and cons - will say the spam vs. the input - and now this forums are of a higher quality to me (personally)  I think, a community is the sum of individuals which found together for one or the other reason. And every community has to decide - by what rules ever - who belongs to it and who has no value for the community... Regards, AA | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,005 |
| | | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
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And maybe users are blocked generally if they reach up to xx blocks from individual users...
Sorry, I wouldn't agree with that. Even if many users don't like Joe Doe that doesn't necessarily mean JD should be blocked globally. 
I can't interpret you emoticon. - Grinning? - About my statement or about yours...
But: I think if John Doe is blocked by - lets say 20 - of the regularly participating users, this tells me, that he is not accepted by the community. And thougt further: not accepted -> not valued -> not part of the communty -> no right to publish...
I could imagine to calculate an acceptance factor like summing up the "number of posts" of all users who blocked a person - the higher this factor the less the acceptance of the person in the community...
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I attended - more or less regularly - forums and internet communities since the mid 90ties. And every forum I attended for longer time had to keep its community clean. Most of the times the users had enough in common that they could not be offended by some single individuals who jumped in and tried to disturb (it is rather booring if nobody talks to you). - And that seems to be the big problem here: the people are very different in their attitudes, cultural and political background, private situation, interests, etc. - the only thing we have in common here are DVDs, which seems to be too less 
Regards, AA While your solution seems to be profitable it has two major issues. The first one being in some ways forums are like high school. People form groups and those groups can be large. As an example my group doesn't like someone because of something they say, do or maybe because of a DVD they own. Now the email campaign starts and all 30 of us block the user. This person is now blocked from posting and their only transgression was offending a group that may or may not speak for all in the forums. The second issue is a person posts an unpopular idea in a form which may cause an uproar. Although this person has never done anything else wrong and may be a major contributor they are now banned over ONE comment. I do not see this as a viable solution. I think the only answer, that would be good for all, would be a report button or even better moderators with the power to censor and ban for unacceptable posts and behaviors. Before everyone gasps, I mean people appointed by the Invelos staff, not a person who appoints them self for each post. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote:
I think Invelos does not want to confront the offenders. If it had been done so in the past, it wouldn't be as bad as it is today, IMO. You have hit the nail on the head!  | | | | Hal |
|  | johnd | | Evening, poetry lovers. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 298 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
But if 20 valued participating members of the community block him, what does that say about the blocked person? - Is it really relevant why they blocked him?
I don't agree with any "automatic" blocking mechanism, and I would certainly be concerned about who decides if someone is a "valued" member. What does "valued" mean? Can that status change? Some examples: Someone who submits very good profiles, but is unable to interact on the forums in an acceptable manner? (yes, I am looking at Skip) Someone who posts only occasionally, but their posts are well reasoned, and advance the overall value of the community, but submit bad profiles? I'm sure people can think of other examples. | | | | Last edited: by johnd |
| | johnd | | Evening, poetry lovers. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 298 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote:
I think Invelos does not want to confront the offenders. If it had been done so in the past, it wouldn't be as bad as it is today, IMO. Exactly. Invelos ignoring them has simply compounded the problem, and they now feel that their interactions are acceptable. I guess one of the reasons Invelos (and Intervocative) has ignored the problem is that these people are paying customers, and that must carry some weight (though, by that argument, I should carry more weight as I have also purchased the mobile product  ). However, when these people are driving off other paying customers, and scaring away potential customers, then something must be done. | | | | Last edited: by johnd |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
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And maybe users are blocked generally if they reach up to xx blocks from individual users...
Sorry, I wouldn't agree with that. Even if many users don't like Joe Doe that doesn't necessarily mean JD should be blocked globally.
I can't interpret you emoticon. - Grinning? - About my statement or about yours...
But: I think if John Doe is blocked by - lets say 20 - of the regularly participating users, this tells me, that he is not accepted by the community. And thougt further: not accepted -> not valued -> not part of the communty -> no right to publish...
I could imagine to calculate an acceptance factor like summing up the "number of posts" of all users who blocked a person - the higher this factor the less the acceptance of the person in the community...
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I attended - more or less regularly - forums and internet communities since the mid 90ties. And every forum I attended for longer time had to keep its community clean. Most of the times the users had enough in common that they could not be offended by some single individuals who jumped in and tried to disturb (it is rather booring if nobody talks to you). - And that seems to be the big problem here: the people are very different in their attitudes, cultural and political background, private situation, interests, etc. - the only thing we have in common here are DVDs, which seems to be too less
Regards, AA Actually, what you say makes a lot of sense. I've been here for a long time, but didn't participate except as a lurker for a long time. I know there are some people who don't particularly like me, but I'm not here to win popularity contests, so that doesn't bother me much. But I also have not blocked anybody (except for a certain person in the HD-DVD/Blu-ray discussion, but then so did a lot of others) in the regular forum areas. That is not to say that I don't like some of the people here, but despite any dislike, I still read what they post because on rare occassions we agree - imagine that! All this blocking and wishes for other means of policing things smacks of political correctness, and nothing good comes from going down that path. In fact, if you go far enough down that road you end up with police states and dictators. I rather somebody had the testicular fortitude to call a bastard to my face than hide behind some PC block. That's the coward's way of dealing with things. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,136 |
| | Posted: | | | | OH FOR happy funtime'S SAKE
Yes, I feel this strongly about this
THIS IS NOT BULLYING
I was bullied at school for a few years - both physical and mental, and THIS IS NO WAY THAT BAD! (At least here you can just walk away, and it is unlikely you will be followed home and punched in the head. Or kicked or spat at.) (And, yes, I know that some things have been said here that are worse than name calling)
This is however, not pleasant.
And we are all a little gulty (Yes, even me) for saying thngs that can be either taken out of context or by read as something really hurtful
Yes, some are "more" guilty than other's. But on any International Internet Forum, you will get missunderstandings as well as plain wrongness.
I do not agree with some of the things that certain people have said - and I guess in this case it has got out of hand. Perhaps someone should of said something. Perhaps we all "are" saying something
I did not agree with the "post count" script, because I thought it would inflame the situation, but I didn't say anything, as it was just "my feeling" and not my place to object to something which, in my mind, does not really matter (and other's might find to be useful)
Some of you are calling for Ken or Geri to bar/ban users from posting. Perhaps they will. Perhaps there is a reason thay haven't done so. (Maybe they are away for the weekend)
Well, there is the "Forum Block" feature (Which, no matter how much I may dissagree with some one, I will never use, as everyone may say something useful sometimes - Akin to respecting that person's view is not my own.) and this feature can be useful, and maybe more of you will be using it in the near future.
Some of you are calling for Moderators - This may well be the way to go, and I know it has been discussed - with the Forum Block being the way that Invelos went with things for now. However, I feel that Moderator's who are "unknown" to the user base (i.e. you do not knwo who they are) are not the way to go. Perhaps it should be a "Vote for me!" system, where we elect from a list of candidates that put themselves up for the office.
But, then, once we have a team of Mods, they should have seperate accounts, so that the user base as a whole does not know which Mod is telling them off - a Private forum for them to discuss things that have been "reported" to them maybe? And once they have reached an agreement, the "pass judgement" With a right of appeal to Ken and Geri (Or to Geri, and Final appeal to Ken??)
And those Moderators will have to be respected for their judgements (or at least the majority of them) and people should not take things too personally if they are told off.
Will that work? I have not got the foggiest idea.
This would mean that a system to "Report" a post should/would have to be brought in also.
As to automatic bans? Would not work.
I personally always try to reamain light hearted (well, apart from the RIP notices I post, obviously) and for most of the time, I will not post anything unless it is informative, or funny etc.
Why do I do this? Read the 4th line (paragraph, whatever) That might give you a clue
We must alll remember that this is JUST A DVD PROGRAM, not the United Nations - however, we should also remember that like the UN, we should respect each other's culture and history. I mean, I for one am of Irish roots. Does that mean I am a Terrorist? Or like Guiness? No and NO (Can't stand that black muck.) it is wasy to be offensive, even if you are just being "jokey" (Polish jokes for the US, Irish jokes for the UK)
However, we can also be too PC - it is a hard knife edge to balance on. In the end, remember, what is funny to you, might be the biggest insuult to another.
The easiest way to deal with this? I do not know. Saying you dissagree and then ignore the person you dissagree with might be it.
The best thing? Think long and hard when you are posting something that may cause arguement, it cannot be un-said - even an apology means that the words were written
Disclaimer - I am just one person, with my personal views. | | | Signature? We don't need no stinking... hang on, this has been done... blast [oooh now in Widescreen]
Ah... well you see.... I thought I'd say something more interesting... but cannot think of anything..... oh well
And to those of you who have disabled viewing of these signature files "hello" (or not) Registered: July 27, 2004 |
| | johnd | | Evening, poetry lovers. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 298 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FunkyLA: Quote:
THIS IS NOT BULLYING
Unfortunately, that is exactly what it is. The continual harassment and denigration of people who take a view that does not match your own, and the use of power to keep people in line. Skip uses the implication of "inside knowledge" pull people into line. Several people use their ability to rack up enourmous post counts to swamp views other than their own, rather than properly debate the issue. People are called names and placed as members of groups that they find offensive. While it might be "just a DVD program", the issue isn't the program, but the forums. Everybody should be able to come here and express their view without being howled down by a vocal minority. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,136 |
| | Posted: | | | | OK, maybe I am wrong about this not being bullying
However.... I still stand by my previous post | | | Signature? We don't need no stinking... hang on, this has been done... blast [oooh now in Widescreen]
Ah... well you see.... I thought I'd say something more interesting... but cannot think of anything..... oh well
And to those of you who have disabled viewing of these signature files "hello" (or not) Registered: July 27, 2004 |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | You're right, this isn't bullying. I think in my time on here I've only seen one situation that maybe bordered on that description. So maybe bullying was a bad choice of word.
But it's also definitely unpleasant in some cases, and still shouldn't be tolerated, so I think the discussion is valid.
I'm still hoping that the situation can be defused before it gets to the stage of people being banned or the installing of moderators. But I'm still uncertain as to the best course of action. Should we, as has been suggested, comment on abusive posts with a simple message, or should we as a community make a concerted effort to ignore all abusive posts, starving the poster of attention?
Edit: just seen John's reply, it's a good post Funky and you should stand by it. We're not just taking about bullying comments here, but abusive comments in general. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting FunkyLA: Quote:
OK, maybe I am wrong about this not being bullying
However.... I still stand by my previous post And as we all know: Rule 96: FunkyLA always gets "the last word"!  |
| | johnd | | Evening, poetry lovers. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 298 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
You're right, this isn't bullying. I think in my time on here I've only seen one situation that maybe bordered on that description. So maybe bullying was a bad choice of word. Perhaps, but I think it fairly accurately describes the feelings of the people so effected. Quote:
I'm still hoping that the situation can be defused before it gets to the stage of people being banned or the installing of moderators. So am I. The first sounds to much like the stifiling of opposing views, while the second creates a management structure that does not necessarily work. I still think that certain people need to be taken aside by those they seem to respect and be given a little talking to about acceptable behaviour. Since they do not respect the members of this forum (old and new), then it needs to be done by someone else.... | | | | Last edited: by johnd |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,136 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Quoting FunkyLA:
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OK, maybe I am wrong about this not being bullying
However.... I still stand by my previous post
And as we all know: Rule 96: FunkyLA always gets "the last word"! Thank you, I needed that  | | | Signature? We don't need no stinking... hang on, this has been done... blast [oooh now in Widescreen]
Ah... well you see.... I thought I'd say something more interesting... but cannot think of anything..... oh well
And to those of you who have disabled viewing of these signature files "hello" (or not) Registered: July 27, 2004 |
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