Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2 3 4 ...6  Previous   Next
Cast members credited as a group with a divider
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDanH
24 frames per second
Registered: July 17, 2007
United Kingdom Posts: 40
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Having tried out the online search facility, the point is well-taken. I withdraw.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDanH
24 frames per second
Registered: July 17, 2007
United Kingdom Posts: 40
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Although I do note that the cast member in a group is still identified in the database under the role of that group. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to explain the finer differences?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorpompel9
Registered: March 13, 2007
Norway Posts: 467
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
There is no basis in the rules for all you no sayers. And what will you do if there is a divider in the credits with role names for each of the actors? Take both the Divider role and the role for the actors? That will be messy.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRHo
Registered: March 13, 2007
Posts: 2,759
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting pompel9:
Quote:
There is no basis in the rules for all you no sayers.
The rules say to list the names and the roles. Dividers are no role fields.
Quote:
And what will you do if there is a divider in the credits with role names for each of the actors? Take both the Divider role and the role for the actors?
Yes!
Quote:
That will be messy.
No!
 Last edited: by RHo
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I agree in concept with pompel.. I believe it is too messy but I keep that aspect locally. So i contribute and remove. God forbid users like Rho should actually modify their own local database to conform to ther own requirements.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKatatonia
Retired Profiler
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 20,111
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting skipnet50:
Quote:
I agree in concept with pompel.. I believe it is too messy but I keep that aspect locally. So i contribute and remove. God forbid users like Rho should actually modify their own local database to conform to ther own requirements.

Skip


My thoughts exactly.
Corey
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantgoodguy
Sita Sings the Blues
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: Superior Rating
Germany Posts: 1,029
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
The divider is a sequential element, not a hierarchical one. It has no relation to other credit entries that is supported by DVDProfiler itself. In short, for DVDProfiler its function is decorative only. It may look nicer to omit the roles and use a group header - if you just want to marvel at the beauty of a single profile's cast list, that is. As soon as you actually try do something with the data you gathered, it breaks.

That's true for episode dividers as well, btw. You have to use 3rd party tools like my Credits Plus to create a relationship between dividers and regular credit entries. DVDProfiler itself doesn't utilize them.
Matthias
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKatatonia
Retired Profiler
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 20,111
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting goodguy:
Quote:
DVDProfiler itself doesn't utilize them.


Perhaps not in the software itself per se, but they are utilized quite nicely in the online collection and main database which are integral parts of DVD Profiler.
Corey
 Last edited: by Katatonia
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKatatonia
Retired Profiler
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 20,111
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
duplicate post
Corey
 Last edited: by Katatonia
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantgoodguy
Sita Sings the Blues
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: Superior Rating
Germany Posts: 1,029
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Katatonia:
Quote:
Perhaps not in the software itself per se, but they are utilized quite nicely in the online collection and main database which are integral parts of DVD Profiler.

What exactly does the online collection *do* with dividers? Except for showing them in a different style than regular entries. And the main database?? But maybe you mean the appliance of a different style on the Voting and Contributions forms there as well.
Matthias
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorgreyghost
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 1,416
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
How should the groups in the following cast list be credited?

I currently have a divider for Dolphins and each person credited as playing Dolphin (should there be a divider?)
The two groups of themselves individually credited as Himself (no divider).
A divider of The Teams followed by a divider for each team with the individuals listed under the appropriate team name divider and credited as the team name.

This has not been submitted yet. Thanks for suggestions.

The credits look approximately like this
.
. (omitted credits)
.
Dolphins             Nigel Miguel
                          Kevin Walker
                          Steve Guild
                          Mitchell Butler
                          Ricky Collier
                          Phil Glenn
                          Dwayne Hackett
                          Byron Jenson
                          Richard Petruska
                          Dennis Tracey
                          Sean Williams
Ricky's Father      Jim Beaver
Ricky's Mother     Debbie Young
Dolphin Mascot    Tony Gonzalez
Themselves        Todd Donoho
                          Dick Vitale
Charlie                Frank Anthony Rossi
.
.(omitted credits)
.
Themselves          Jim Boeheim
                          Dick Baker
                          Marty Blake
                          Lou Campanelli
                          Jerry Tarkanian

                                                The Teams
Indiana                             Texas Western                 Coast
Ryan Berning                     Eric Anderson               Darin D. Archbold
Kiambu Fisher                   Calbert Cheaney             Demetrius Calip
Keith J. Gibbs                       Dan Godfried               Sam Crawford
Thomas Hill                       Greg Graham                 Billy Douglass
Allan Houston                       Joe Hillman                   Rick Fox
Sasha Hupman                       Bobby Hurley             Carlos Jackson
Adonis Jordan                     Geert Hammick                 Daric Keys
Matt Painter                         Jamal Meeks                 Matt Lien
Mark Raveling                       Chris Reynolds             George D. Lynch III
Craig R. Riley                         Eric Riley                   Chris Mills
Rodney Rogers                       Scott Shreffler             Ed Stokes
Ed Zello                               Keith Smart                 Rex Walters
Registered: February 10, 2002
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
Lost in Translation
Registered: March 14, 2007
Netherlands Posts: 2,366
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Nigel Miguel ... Dolphins Team Member
etc. ... Dolphins Team Member

Todd Donoho ... Himself
Dick Vitale ... Himself

Jim Boeheim ... Himself
etc. ... Himself

The Team: XXX
Name ... XXX Team Member

Although the above roles are not exactly as credited, it's the only sensible representation as single group members are not playing a real Dolphin, Indian, Texas Western or Coast and also can not be "themselves".

PS. I already asked more or less the same question in this thread but almost nobody seemed to agree with the above... so it's just my opinion, nothing more.
Martin Zuidervliet

DVD Profiler Nederlands
 Last edited: by Daddy DVD
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
Registered: March 15, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 5,459
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting greyghost:
Quote:
How should the groups in the following cast list be credited?


That's a complicated one greyghost! From what you've described though, I think you've got it the same way I'd have done it.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
Lost in Translation
Registered: March 14, 2007
Netherlands Posts: 2,366
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting northbloke:
Quote:
That's a complicated one greyghost!

It's only complicated because a lot of users are holding on the "as credited" rule too tight. If we all give each other some liberty in threating these kind of credits, it will not be so "complicated".
Martin Zuidervliet

DVD Profiler Nederlands
 Last edited: by Daddy DVD
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
Registered: March 15, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United Kingdom Posts: 5,459
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
No, it's complicated because of the mixture of credits under headings and individual credits. I wasn't even thinking of the "as credited" rule.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
Lost in Translation
Registered: March 14, 2007
Netherlands Posts: 2,366
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting northbloke:
Quote:
No, it's complicated because of the mixture of credits under headings and individual credits. I wasn't even thinking of the "as credited" rule.

Ah, OK! Yes you're right, the credits are indeed not easy to process.
Martin Zuidervliet

DVD Profiler Nederlands
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2 3 4 ...6  Previous   Next