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Michael Bay told us so....
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorNewEnglander
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Warner is supposedly encoding Batman Begins to take advantage of Blu-ray, so, if true, that would be the disc to make all comparison's from when released. Until then, I guess you guys wwill have to agree to disagree.  
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Warner is supposedly encoding Batman Begins to take advantage of Blu-ray, so, if true, that would be the disc to make all comparison's from when released. Until then, I guess you guys wwill have to agree to disagree.  


Let me take one more whack at this horse, then I'm off for some quality time with a good movie.

If you think comparing one of the earlier HD DVDs released (10/10/2006) to a brand new encode almost a year and a half later is a fair comparison, then I don't know what to say.

My prediction is that is will look slightly better than the existing HD DVD.  But that will be more a factor of advances in the codecs and experience using them than disc size.  In my opinion of course.
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The way the extra space on Blu-ray has been hyped, you should be able to tell the difference between a movie on Blu-ray and HD DVD just as you can a SD DVD and a Hi Def DVD.  If the extra space really mattered, the Blu-ray movie would make a HD DVD movie look like a dog reguardless of what movie it is.  If I had a SD DVD playing on one TV and a Hi Def DVD on another (same make and model of TVs and both Hi Def) you can tell the difference even if it is not the same movie.  You cannot do that with HD DVD and Blu-ray.
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The extra space would be most percievable on high motion or highly detailed scenes (action, explosions, moving water). It certainly would not be night and day like SD to HD for everything.

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You cannot do that with HD DVD and Blu-ray.


What movie did you do this comparison with?
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The extra space would be most percievable on high motion or highly detailed scenes (action, explosions, moving water). It certainly would not be night and day like SD to HD for everything.

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You cannot do that with HD DVD and Blu-ray.


What movie did you do this comparison with?


Any HD DVD vs. any Blu-ray DVD.  The way the extra space is hyped, it should be a night and day difference but its not.
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As I explained on the previous page, you mis-understand the hype.

There's a reason that the Transformers HD DVD did not have lossless audio on the disc...and it wasn't capacity, it was bandwidth.
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There's a reason that the Transformers HD DVD did not have lossless audio on the disc...and it wasn't capacity, it was bandwidth.


That disc was also voted Best Audio of any 2007 HD disc (HD DVD or Blu-ray).
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There's a reason that the Transformers HD DVD did not have lossless audio on the disc...and it wasn't capacity, it was bandwidth.


That disc was also voted Best Audio of any 2007 HD disc (HD DVD or Blu-ray).


Is this the same awards where the Blu-ray of 300 won over the HD DVD version of 300 for high-def title of the year? The HD DVD had more extras? That makes me question the credibility of these awards.
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I too question the credibility of the awards.

Still, I'm curious how many could notice the difference between the track found on the disc and the actual master.  I know a lot of fuss was made about it being a lossy track, but the truth is that it's a great soundtrack.

I'm hoping that Paramount releases the blue version with a lossless track.  I won't rebuy it for that reason, but I'd be curious to hear how it matches up to the lossy HD DVD version.  I don't believe they will, but that would be interesting to be sure.  Then again, it would be hard to do a straight port over to blue with all the features on the current disc.  So maybe they will.
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I do agree that it takes really good ears (and possibly really good equipment) to tell the difference between a high bitrate lossy audio track and a lossless audio track, and I don't think my ears are that good, and I'm sure my speakers aren't. But I'm also of the opinion that if you can have lossless, you should.

I'm the same way with my music. Since all my CDs are being retired to a storage closet in favor of digital music, I do all my rips in lossless so I still get CD quality. I only use lossy codecs for noisy environments, like in the car or on a portable music player with headphones.

The basic motto is "if you can do it, you should," which is why I favored Blu-ray even when both formats were vaporware. Blu-ray "can" do more...but it's up to the content providers to make it happen.

As for Transformers, some people, including studio insiders on other boards, reported the original Blu-ray authoring was for BD50 with high bit rate AVC and lossless PCM, and that they will be using that to press the discs. But I'll believe it when I see it.
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As for Transformers, some people, including studio insiders on other boards, reported the original Blu-ray authoring was for BD50 with high bit rate AVC and lossless PCM, and that they will be using that to press the discs. But I'll believe it when I see it.


I have no plans to re-buy it, but I am very curious to see what they'll do.  I'd love to see them take full advantage of the 50GB just to see how the two compare.  And I wonder what will become of all the web-enabled features.  Should be interesting.
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