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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorprimetime21
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I have a contribution pending where I am removing end credits at the end of the cast and crew (The Mandalorian and Grogu Steelbook).  I have a no vote with the person saying they are required.

This is literally what the rule says, am I missing something here? "Do not add a group end divider at the end of the cast, or at the end of a crew section."
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorObiKen
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Lets see, you received a NO vote for these changes in 043396-649477:

CREW: removed end divider for last group "Visual Effects by Lola VFX" in ART section (no further crew credited afterwards).
CAST: removed end divider for last group "Additional Voices" in CAST section (no further actors credited afterwards).

and the NO voter response was "Even if a group is the last thing in the credits, it still requires an end divider."

You are absolutely correct in your understanding of the rule, you are not missing anything, the NO voter's reasoning had no merit, its something only a rule quack would use.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorscotthm
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If I'm seeing your contribution correctly, I believe you're both  wrong. The voter's reason for voting no is incorrect, but his no vote is nevethetheless warranted.

The rules also say:
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Groups should be ended with a "Group End" type divider, unless the next entry begins a new group.

... and it looks to me like you've added two group end dividers that immediately precede another group. (e.g. after Grogu Puppeteers and after Puppeteers). Am I imagining things?

And you definitely do not need a group end divider at the end of the credits.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorgreyghost
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The rules were never updated to reflect nested groups in the credits (before Ken "vanished" from the site). Without the additional end group dividers subsequent groups are nested under the preceding group(s) - not accurately reflecting the credits.

"Dividers allow the segregation of cast and crew into logical groupings. Wherever possible, these groupings should mirror the film credits."
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorObiKen
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Quoting scotthm:
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If I'm seeing your contribution correctly, I believe you're both  wrong. The voter's reason for voting no is incorrect, but his no vote is nevethetheless warranted.

The rules also say:
Quote:
Groups should be ended with a "Group End" type divider, unless the next entry begins a new group.

... and it looks to me like you've added two group end dividers that immediately precede another group. (e.g. after Grogu Puppeteers and after Puppeteers). Am I imagining things?

And you definitely do not need a group end divider at the end of the credits.

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I believe the NO vote focussed purely on primetime21's removal of end dividers at:
• the end of the cast section
• the end of the ART crew section

However, with regards to primetime's addition of end dividers for contiguous groups, that is correct, as it came about with the introduction of "nested groups" in version 4.0 (here).

In particular, the release note stated:
Group end dividers will be automatically added between contiguous cast/crew groups, from prior versions
which effectively superseded the end divider rule written for version 3.9.

Other nested group features in version 4.0 were:
Build 1723 added: Nested group dividers (2 levels)
Build 1726: Cast/crew with nested groups now show both parent group and grandparent group in the cast/crew info window

As far as I can see, primteime21 was correct in both removal and addition of end dividers.
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