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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormdnitoil
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I did actually search but couldn't find anything on my particular problem.  No doubt it was addressed on that other message board.

My question is regarding boxsets that are basically repackaging of previously released single disks.  What do we do about the child profiles?  I'm not talking about re-releasing the same movies, but the actual same disks.  The disk IDs are already in profiler but associated with their single movie release.  An obvious example would be "American Pie 3 movie pie pack".  Universal simply took the individual Collector's Edition disks and threw them together in a digipak.  Now, the current profile for this set lists the original Collector's Edition UPC barcodes as it's children.  When I tried to submit a similar situation regarding a Hammer horror double feature, a couple of folks told me that children must be disk Ids, not UPCs.  To confuse matters even further, one of the voters also voted for an identical style of profile I had submitted while voting against another one. 

I'm not whining about people voting "no", I just want to understand how we handle these repackaging situations.  I'm scanning my collection for other examples to work off of, but so far they are all pointing to UPCs as children, not disk IDs.  I'll be happy to recreate the wheel, so to speak, I just want to be sure that's actually what we're supposed to do.  Surely this has come up before...likely more than once. 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
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The usual way these things work is that the first single release gets added using the UPC code.
If it's rereleased in a boxed set then it gets a new profile using the disc ID and this is added as a child profile to the boxed set parent.
There will always be exceptions to this way (for example if the discs are in separate keep cases and have upcs printed on them), but this tends to be the usual.
You also have to be careful that a boxed set isn't rereleased itself in different packaging! 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormdnitoil
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Fair enough.  Does the new disk ID profile get the box set images attached to it, or are images left blank to make the entry more flexible?  I would presume there is no real need to attach images to children if they simply repeat the parent.  Obviously, I'm refering to something along the lines of a digipak or dual keep case.  I get the concept of a slipcase.
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I think people prefer it if you give the child profile the images of the boxed set, although there's nothing to say you have to.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Not quite north but close. It depends on the case. If for example it is a digipak, there is only one case, the parent, and each child will share the cover art of the parent. If OTOH, it is boxset containing individually packaged films, ala Keeps, then each film gets its own Cover.

Now for the next part of this issue.

For example the Original release of Marilyn Monroe Diamond Collection, which contained 5 or 6 films, can't remember but not relevant, each of the films was subsequebntly released in NEAR-identical packaging, the difference the individuals had UPC, the Boxset components did NOT. Disc ID all the way, no sweat.

If you have a Boxset and it is a new entry, meaning you can't leave notes. I would make two separate Contributions, one without Cover Art but all of the other data. Once that is approved I would then come back with Cover Art so that I could leave Ken and Gerri a note explaining why I am using Disc ID instead of UPC #. I hope that helps.

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It helps.  I'm going to feel a little silly repeating these images over and over, but it's not that big a deal to do it.  Look for yet more American Pie entries to cover disk ID's in the digipak set.  As if there weren't enough entries for those movies already. 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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Nice to see people confirming what I said. Of course I wasn't the person voting yes to one and no to another.  I can understand the confusion.
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One related question: what would be the SRP for the child profiles ? The same one as the parent, or simply 0 ?
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One related question: what would be the SRP for the child profiles ? The same one as the parent, or simply 0 ?


Simply 0.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Repter:

One additional caution, remember the Online is about ALL users, So SRP at $0, which is what I do is a personal decision 99% of the time and NOT contributable. Don't forget that MOST Box contents are also available as stand-alones, therefore having an Online SRP is totally appropriate. I have also heard of users assigning ) SRP to the Box and dividing the SRP AND the purchase price up among the content, but as I said that is strictlly a personal choice.

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Don't forget that MOST Box contents are also available as stand-alones, therefore having an Online SRP is totally appropriate.


But standalones would always have a UPC and would be identified by the UPC. While child profiles would be identified by the DiskID since they don't have a UPC. So there would be two profiles for the same disk...
Except of course for those box sets that contain separate cases themselves that are identical to the stand-alones. In that case, I admit the SRP should simply be the stand-alone SRP. But then again, also cover scans, case type, release date, etc... would be the ones from the standalone and not inherited from the Box Set.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I generally don't concern myself with that, if the Contents contain UPC's, repter. I see no snese in duplicating profiles just for SRP to b $0. There may be more reasons to do this down the road, such as moving an entire boxset at one time, but just for SRP...nah.

I set mine locally and that's it.

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Don't forget that MOST Box contents are also available as stand-alones, therefore having an Online SRP is totally appropriate.


But standalones would always have a UPC and would be identified by the UPC. While child profiles would be identified by the DiskID since they don't have a UPC. So there would be two profiles for the same disk...
Except of course for those box sets that contain separate cases themselves that are identical to the stand-alones. In that case, I admit the SRP should simply be the stand-alone SRP. But then again, also cover scans, case type, release date, etc... would be the ones from the standalone and not inherited from the Box Set.


You're treading dangerous ground by saying "most" are available as stand-alones.  In fact, I would have to say its more likely just the opposite.  It USED TO BE that way, but not any more.  Today, they have gone to multi-disk thin cases, and digipacks of various types to cut packaging costs, and those don't get UPCs so they can't be sold separately. 

Nothing wrong with putting the SRP in there, but only if it actually had one to start with.  There aren't many of the newer sets that come that way.
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