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HD-TV What to look for
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMike D.
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I know that eventually I will have to buy a HD TV and wanted some thoughts on what to look for. I mostly watch movies or DVD-TV, since there is nothing really good on tv anymore, so I guess I would want something that would give me the best picture quality. Any thoughts would be helpful, but I'm not looking to get one now, just sometime before 2009.

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What I would look for....

1080p video output.

at least two HDMI outs.
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Make sure you have a full HD tv (1080p) in stead of a HD Ready (1080i) TV.
As for the HDMI inputs, 2 is nice, but if you have to pay a lot more money to get a set with 2, just buy a TV with 1 HDMI input. Apple has a nice plug and play HDMI switch box. This allows you to connect up to 4 HDMI devices on a single HDMI input. Check it out here

Wether you go for Plasma or LCD is something you will have to find out for yourself. Some prefer Plasma, others prefer LCD. Just go to a shop and watch the difference. The advantage of LCD is a lower power consumption.
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Another crucial point (at least for me): how does he handle 24fps-material.

I'm not sure how it is on the us-american market, but even the highprice sets in germany still do some kind of pulldown to get those 24 pictures per second to the 50 or 60 pictures it puts out.
Abso-fracking-lutely unacceptable!

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Another crucial point (at least for me): how does he handle 24fps-material.

I'm not sure how it is on the us-american market, but even the highprice sets in germany still do some kind of pulldown to get those 24 pictures per second to the 50 or 60 pictures it puts out.
Abso-fracking-lutely unacceptable!

cya, Mithi "1080p/24fps or bust"



He's talking about the fact that movies are at 24fps, and TV is done at 30fps.  Any good HDTV will have a cinema mode setting that allows for the 6fps difference so that you don't get any artifacting, especially in heavy action sequences.  Most of them have this, even the cheap ones, now.
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He's talking about the fact that movies are at 24fps, and TV is done at 30fps.
or 60fps interlaced or 50fps interlaced or 25fps
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Any good HDTV will have a cinema mode setting that allows for the 6fps difference

They do, but HOW!
For 60Hz they simply do a 3:2-pulldown[1], and that is a stoneage solution. And I don't want to think what they do in Europe with 50Hz.

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[1] Yes, it isn't as bad as the classical 3:2 pulldown for NTSC, as it shows frames instead of fields, but still unnecessary. Simply showing each frame 3 times with 72Hz (or 4x with 96Hz) should be manageable in the year 2007.
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I just can't wait for the prices to drop on these. My ideal size would be 32"-47," since I don't need anything larger than that. Now I've seen different screen resolutions out there. So far I've seen 1024 x 768, 1440 x 900, 1366 x 768, etc... Is there a particular screen resolution I should look for or does that matter on the size of the tv I get?

Thanks for the help, so far. 
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Full HD resolution is 1920 x 1080, so this is the best. If these sets are out of the budget you will want a HD ready set with a resolution of 1366 x 768. The maximum output on a HD ready set is 1080i (meaning interlaced where a full screen is built with 2 blocks of 540 lines, as opposed to progressive where all 1080 lines are displayed simultaneously). HD television output is 1080i, but HD-DVD and blue-ray opperate at 1080p.
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I just can't wait for the prices to drop on these. My ideal size would be 32"-47," since I don't need anything larger than that. Now I've seen different screen resolutions out there. So far I've seen 1024 x 768, 1440 x 900, 1366 x 768, etc... Is there a particular screen resolution I should look for or does that matter on the size of the tv I get?

Thanks for the help, so far. 



If you do some digging, you can find full 1080p in a 37" LCD for well under a $1000 now.  32" can be had in the $700-$800 range.

42" used to be the upper limit on LCD; after that you went Plasma.  That is no longer true, however.  LCD is cheaper to operate because it uses less power, and runs cooler as a result.  That translates to longer life of the pixel elements.  Anyway, the 37" Aquos models from Sharp, and the LG models are all highly rated, and if you have to spend a bit more for them over another similar model, it is well worth it.

Check TigerDirect.com, they almost always have some very good bargains on LCD TVs.  That's where I got mine, and I'm very happy with it.
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He's talking about the fact that movies are at 24fps, and TV is done at 30fps.
or 60fps interlaced or 50fps interlaced or 25fps


Does anyone know if it matters on a computer screen? I'm probably going to get Samsung SyncMaster 225MW. Which Samsung also says supports 1080p, but it doesnt say about fps.

I cant find a english site for the monitor, but heres a German one.
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He's talking about the fact that movies are at 24fps, and TV is done at 30fps.
or 60fps interlaced or 50fps interlaced or 25fps


Does anyone know if it matters on a computer screen? I'm probably going to get Samsung SyncMaster 225MW. Which Samsung also says supports 1080p, but it doesnt say about fps.

I cant find a english site for the monitor, but heres a German one.


Standard computer monitors are the same as TV's - 30fps.  If you have a widescreen HDMI/DVI monitor, then that is capable of either.  The way LCD screens work is what causes the problem.  If you are running hi-res and full HD, without the circuitry to compensate you'll see moire patterning in large dark areas, and some ghosting in scenes with heavy action and fast movement.
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Here are some links that might be helpful concerning HDTV

LCD TVs Replacing Plasma: 
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134971/article.html?tk=nl_texcol 

Two HDTV Technologies Worth Waiting For 
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135144/article.html?tk=nl_texnws

Top 5 37-Inch LCD HDTVs 
www.pcworld.com/article/id,127742/article.html?tk=nl_texrvw
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Here are some links that might be helpful concerning HDTV

LCD TVs Replacing Plasma: 
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134971/article.html?tk=nl_texcol 

Two HDTV Technologies Worth Waiting For 
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135144/article.html?tk=nl_texnws

Top 5 37-Inch LCD HDTVs 
www.pcworld.com/article/id,127742/article.html?tk=nl_texrvw

Thanks for the links, they are very helpful.
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