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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | You're profling a DVD and come across an actor you've never heard of before: "Rupert Henry Penrose Smith". A google search brings up precisely zero hits. So how would you parse the name?
(format: first/middle/last)
This poll is to try and come to some form of workaround to end the constant debate about how to parse names in Profiler.
Obviously if someone else finds references that do specify the correct parsing - that will take priority. This is purely for names where the correct parsing is unknown. |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
You're profling a DVD and come across an actor you've never heard of before: "Rupert Henry Penrose Smith". A google search brings up precisely zero hits. So how would you parse the name?
(format: first/middle/last)
Same question with "Mary Jane H. Taylor".  | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,704 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
You're profling a DVD and come across an actor you've never heard of before: "Rupert Henry Penrose Smith". A google search brings up precisely zero hits. So how would you parse the name?
(format: first/middle/last)
This poll is to try and come to some form of workaround to end the constant debate about how to parse names in Profiler.
Obviously if someone else finds references that do specify the correct parsing - that will take priority. This is purely for names where the correct parsing is unknown. I voted for other: Start a poll in this forum and take the majority as common name. Regards, AA Edit: for this Example I'd prefer Rupert/Henry/Penrose Smith | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) | | | | Last edited: by AiAustria |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | For me, the standard should always be:
First part of the name in the 'first name' field.
Last part of the name in the 'last name' field.
Everything in between goes in the 'middle name' field.
It seems like the easiest way to do it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would take a guess to the best of my knowledge. In this case "Penrose" sounds like a family name but not like a male given name. Therefore I'd go for Rupert/Henry/Penrose Smith. And I would not mind if somebody with more knowledge would correct me later. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
I would take a guess to the best of my knowledge. In this case "Penrose" sounds like a family name but not like a male given name. Therefore I'd go for Rupert/Henry/Penrose Smith. And I would not mind if somebody with more knowledge would correct me later. I agree completely! To the others: hey, what do you know: someone actually applies some common sense instead of blindly chucking everything in the middle into the "middle name" field. Sure, that's the easiest solution, but the field is called "middle name", and that's what exactly what it should be used for. Not for just about anything between the first and the last word. If that's the idea, the term "middle name" should be taken out of the program immediately. Name it "anything between the first and the last word of any name" for all I care, but not "middle name". As it is, I can't help making the same decision that RHo made. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
I would take a guess to the best of my knowledge. In this case "Penrose" sounds like a family name but not like a male given name. Therefore I'd go for Rupert/Henry/Penrose Smith. And I would not mind if somebody with more knowledge would correct me later. I deliberately tried to create a name that was as vague as possible. Obviously not vague enough!  The name Penrose can be a given name, just as Penrose Smith can be a family name. That's why I chose it. Unfortunately I should have made that clearer. But I suppose the test it still valid. I certainly think a renaming of the fields is in order. In the UK we use the terms "forename(s)" and "surname". Do these terms translate or would they cause as much confusion as the current field names? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
For me, the standard should always be:
First part of the name in the 'first name' field.
Last part of the name in the 'last name' field.
Everything in between goes in the 'middle name' field.
It seems like the easiest way to do it. With no further information, this is what I would do. "Guessing" is not part of the Rules! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
"Guessing" is not part of the Rules! Neither is "word counting"! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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"Guessing" is not part of the Rules!
Neither is "word counting"! Point taken. Since there is no "Rule" for parsing, there is no correct answer to the question. All choices are acceptable. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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"Guessing" is not part of the Rules!
Neither is "word counting"! True enough. However, if we can't have these discussions without resorting to insults, what is the point? This wasn't aimed at you specifically, just an observation of the attitude that is usually thrown at people that support 'word counting'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | These days Rupert/Henry Penrose/Smith is as likely to be as correct as Rupert/Henry/Penrose Smith. Rupert Henry/Penrose/Smith might be more common elsewhere. Double middle names and double last names seem (in California) to be more common these days than double first names. And they make more movies in Hollywood than in Nashville.  | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I keep trying to explain that concept, Cliff. But we seem to have some people who either can't grasp it, don't want to or simply won't. It is not a hard concept to me to understand. I understand that by some European naming standards PBH would likely be P//BH, but despite their apparent belief to the contrary, their standards are not Universal nor or the naming standards (such as they are) that are used in the United States. However when talking about an American born actor and or anyone working in film, attempting to parse names by some arcne system which might be used in Transylvania just doesn't fly. I have repeatedly outlined the simplest and neutral standard that all users can apply in all cases, unless they CHOOSE to research a given name to try and determine how the naming might be correctly handled. Sadly we have a bunch of users who not only don't comprehend but fancy themselves to be able to mystically ( ipresume they have a Crystal Ball or at least a Magic 8 Ball) determine what is what in a name, despite the FACT that very few of us have much degree of interaction with the people who appear On Screen.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
...I have repeatedly outlined the simplest and neutral standard that all users can apply in all cases, unless they CHOOSE to research a given name to try and determine how the naming might be correctly handled. ...
Skip Not all users wish to turn their minds off in order to make contributions. (Yes, some do.) Some of us like rules which kill creativity, and are distrustful of common sense, others of us realise that not everything is black and white. Just sayin'... | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I know that, Cliff and i understand your point. Data entry is boring and repetitive, and in order for the data to have any meaning you must develop something that can be applied by ALL users in ALL cases regardless. Should a user wish to do something he can 1) keep it local or 2) research and document his findings to support something other than the baseline. What we have is users who want to apply their COMMON sense, which like is not is going to be in error and they want to do it because they are too lazy to do the research and documentation necessary to support the data. That is the crux of the matter simple laziness. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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I would take a guess to the best of my knowledge. In this case "Penrose" sounds like a family name but not like a male given name. Therefore I'd go for Rupert/Henry/Penrose Smith. And I would not mind if somebody with more knowledge would correct me later.
I agree completely! Me 2! | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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