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Roger and Charles Lloyd Pack - common name and parsing
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorBehemot
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British actors Charles Lloyd Pack and Roger Lloyd Pack are father and son, and it seems that "Lloyd Pack" is their family name:

Roger:
http://www.pfd.co.uk/clients/lloydpr/a-act.html
http://www.filmreference.com/film/65/Roger-Lloyd-Pack.html

Charles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lloyd_Pack
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0655436

The actress Emily Lloyd is Roger Lloyd Pack's daughter, further confirming that Lloyd is part of the family name:
http://film.guardian.co.uk/Player/Player_Page/0,,45400,00.html

However, like LOTS of British actors with 2 surnames, they are sometimes credited with a hyphen, in this case as "Lloyd-Pack". Checking my collection it seems that "Lloyd Pack" is a little bit more frequent than "Lloyd-Pack".

What common name should be chosen for these two actors? And how should it be parsed? (I've only used Charles in the poll, but it's meant for both of them.)
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Another link for Roger:
here

His surname's always been Lloyd Pack as long as I've seen him on TV - and he's on a lot of TV over here!
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Kind of like prime minister David Lloyd George; his last name is Lloyd George.  I think it's a Welsh thing...
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roger lloyd pack - 62 titles
roger lloyd-pack - 163 titles

charles lloyd pack - 95 titles
charles lloyd-pack - 9 titles

Using the credit look-up tool gives you a conflict between father and son.

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Quoting richierich:
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roger lloyd pack - 62 titles
roger lloyd-pack - 163 titles

charles lloyd pack - 95 titles
charles lloyd-pack - 9 titles

Using the credit look-up tool gives you a conflict between father and son.


The credit look-up tool is nice, but some playing with it shows me that it's at least 75% IMDb-data - as I expected. I tried about forty names on which I (and/or the forum) have made a different "common name" choice then IMDb did, and on almost all of them, the IMDb-name came up with a huge majority. That's not about parsing, I know, but it does indicate that while I think the feature can (and probably will) be very helpful in the future, I don't think we should start completely relying on it already. Needless to say, I agree with the majority of the voters in this thread that it should be Roger//Lloyd Pack and Charles//Lloyd Pack.
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Quoting T!M:
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Quoting richierich:
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roger lloyd pack - 62 titles
roger lloyd-pack - 163 titles

charles lloyd pack - 95 titles
charles lloyd-pack - 9 titles

Using the credit look-up tool gives you a conflict between father and son.


The credit look-up tool is nice, but some playing with it shows me that it's at least 75% IMDb-data - as I expected. I tried about forty names on which I (and/or the forum) have made a different "common name" choice then IMDb did, and on almost all of them, the IMDb-name came up with a huge majority. That's not about parsing, I know, but it does indicate that while I think the feature can (and probably will) be very helpful in the future, I don't think we should start completely relying on it already. Needless to say, I agree with the majority of the voters in this thread that it should be Roger//Lloyd Pack and Charles/Lloyd Pack.

Agreed. The reason Roger Lloyd-Pack is more common in the database than Roger Lloyd Pack is certainly that IMDB uses the hyphenated variant. Many profiles in the credit search show him as Roger Lloyd-Pack even though I've personally checked these profiles and confirmed that he is credited without the hyphen.
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