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Philip Baker Hall
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I submitted some profiles today where I changed Philip / Baker / Hall to Philip / / Baker Hall, after seeing the screenshot found here http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=194176&PageNum=8 and a discussion in the Contribution Rules forums.

I got a No vote saying this wasn't evidence enough, so I thought I'd do some research myself. What I found was that with 1 exception (the bio at IMDB) he is always referred to as "Hall" when referred to only by his last name. I therefore chose to withdraw my contribution and post a poll here.

Like with other similar cases, we need to make a choice on how to parse this name, so as to avoid ping-pong contributions. Can anyone provide any proof as to what is actually his surname/family name - Baker Hall or just Hall? I would say that the option getting the most votes should "win", unless there is very good evidence to the contrary.
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IMO the screen shot is more than enough to support Philip // Baker Hall.
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The MAGNOLIA end credits are in alphabetical order, and he's listed after the 'G's. That suggests that Hall is his surname.
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What I found was that with 1 exception (the bio at IMDB) he is always referred to as "Hall" when referred to only by his last name.

Can you list some links which support "Hall"? I could only find Wikipedia.
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I would say that the option getting the most votes should "win", unless there is very good evidence to the contrary.

I would say that the option already present in the "Credited as" Name Database should "win", unless there is very good evidence to the contrary. 
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BFI Database suggest Hall is the last name
When listed alphabetically, it appears that Hall is the last name:
Example1
Example2
Example3

I've only taken the above info from IMDb. Perhaps someone with those titles can check.
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Many sites list a daughter (b. 1995) Anna Ruth Baker with his third wife, who appears to be named either Holly Baker or Holly Wolfle

I'm not certain what that demonstrates, except that he seems to have fathered a daughter when he was 64 years old ... 
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What I found was that with 1 exception (the bio at IMDB) he is always referred to as "Hall" when referred to only by his last name.

Can you list some links which support "Hall"? I could only find Wikipedia.


Interview: http://movies.about.com/od/synergy/a/compnyph122504.htm
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Some of his younger co-stars – not necessarily from “In Good Company” – could learn a lesson or two from Hall.


Profile: http://www.fametracker.com/hey_its_that_guy/hall_philip_baker.php
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His role in 1990 as library detective Lt. Bookman was to Hall what Hannibal Lecter was to Anthony Hopkins -- a signature star turn late in life that vaults a previously little known actor in the consciousness of the public at large.


Bio: http://www.tribute.ca/people/Philip+Baker+Hall/1871
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Growing up in Toledo, Ohio, Hall did some acting in his teens, and thought of making a career of it, but after graduating from the University of Toledo, he entered the army instead.


Alphabetized by "H" in NNDB listing: http://www.nndb.com/edu/546/000111213/

Etc., etc.
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The MAGNOLIA end credits are in alphabetical order, and he's listed after the 'G's. That suggests that Hall is his surname.

Funny thing is, that in my profile they are not sorted alphabetically. Therefore I have checked the disc and they are not alphabetically either. So you must have a different version of this film that the one I own!
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Here's a link to an official movie site, where he again is referred to simply as "Hall" (both in the Cast and the News section): http://www.duckthemovie.com/duck.html

To me, "Baker" looks like a classic case of Middle Name, after doing a lot of searching on the web. The only thing suggesting "Baker Hall" is his last name is the screenshot posted earlier in this thread. If you think about it, though, this screenshot doesn't really prove anything - I mean, people can have both "typical first names" (e.g. "Michelle" in "Sarah Michelle Gellar") and "typical surnames" (e.g. "Carandini" in "Christopher Carandini Lee") as their middle name. If Sarah Michelle Gellar had been listed in the aformentioned movie's credits, she would probably have been credited with "Sarah Michelle" on the left-hand side of the screen and "Gellar" on the right hand side - although her name should still be parsed as Sarah / Michelle / Gellar. In Philip Baker Hall's case, "Baker" is more a "surname type" middle name than a "first name type" middle name, so he was credited as Philip on the left-hand side of the screen and "Baker Hall" on the right hand side. At least that's how I see it. 
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The MAGNOLIA end credits are in alphabetical order, and he's listed after the 'G's. That suggests that Hall is his surname.

Funny thing is, that in my profile they are not sorted alphabetically. Therefore I have checked the disc and they are not alphabetically either. So you must have a different version of this film that the one I own!


That is weird - I'll dig my copy out again and have another look - maybe I got it wrong.

Edit: my apologies, I didn't make it clear - I wasn't looking at the full cast list, but near the beginning of the end credits the main cast are listed one at a time in alpabetical order. That's the section I was talking about. Sorry for the confusion.
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The way his name should be parsed has also changed in the DVDProfiler "Credited as" Name Database.
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The way his name should be parsed has also changed in the DVDProfiler "Credited as" Name Database.

I made that change, since the poll shows 24 in favor of this and 16 against, and since there hasn't been presented any convincing evidence for parsing it as Philip / / Baker Hall - all the evidence instead points towards parsing it as Philip / Baker / Hall, except for that one screenshot and his IMDB bio.
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I am also convinced. Now let's wait and see if those other 16 users will be too.
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All I would suggest is that 'Baker' is an unusual English christian or forename, in fact I cannot recall ever having dealt or met with anyone carrying that as a christian name. It is however a common enough English surname. The situation might be different in the United States however, so it might be useful to obtain some comments from U.S. forum members.
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Unless of course we are looking at a double-barrell surname Baker-Hall.
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