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Boxsets or Disks?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantjonthomas83
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Registered: November 24, 2007
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Sorry for the vague title, I'm a little confused myself! 

Thing is, I've been contributing for about a week now, not long I know but I've done a few. I've noticed a few inconsistencies that I think I should get cleared up before I proceed.

Looking at the Buffy series in general, as I put the first disc of each season box set in, the other disks in the series are recognised in the one profile, surely the best way to do it as it fully utileses the 'Disks' tab in the profile options. No problem. However, whenI do the same for Angel, I have to literally put each disk I have in there as each disk has a profile. Now I'm all for child profiles, it's great but surely this eliminates the need for the 'Disks' tab and surely makes life harder. I'm the type of person who likes consistency and this is a classic example of how one series will have Season child profiles and another will have 30 discs worth of child profiles.

Another example is the 'Ten Commandments 50th Anniversary Collection', this has child profiles, ONE for the 1956 version (2-Discs) and one for the 1923 version. 'Ben Hur: 4-Disc Collector's Edition' however, each disc has it's own profile. This is problematic because, e.g. Charlton Heston appears in both disc 1 and 2, which are parts 1 and 2 of the movie respectively, therefore, any statistics I run on my collection will show Charlton heston as having an extra two profiles when he should really appear in one - for the entire 2-part movie of Ben Hur.

Does that make sense, if so what can I do about it? If not how can I clarify? lol.

If this is a problem, can I ask what rules there are about this particular problem, if there aren't any, can I suggest that we get some to clear this issue up. I for one don't like data redundancy (think that's the term) and I shouldn't imagine many others do either!

many thanks
Jonathan 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Jon:

Well As to your Buffy/Angel question, both methods are correct currently. I prefer the children, or with the complete series you would be talking about Grandchildren and they may NOT have been set up yet.

Charlton heston should NOT appear in the profile for the 1925 Ten commandments Profile...since he was not in that film. We do not Profile individual PARTS of a movie that are spread over multiple discs, but the 50th Ben-Hur contains TWO separate films and each has a profile. That is consistent for profiler. If you want a different form of consistency, which is after all an individual issue, then you can handle it any way you wish locally. The Online and the rules for such are steup for profilere's version of consistency relative to the online, which may NOT be the same as yours. But the Online must serve as a starting point for ALL users, so for contributions the Rules must be followed, but you can do whatever you wish locally.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantjonthomas83
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Thanks Skip,

I don't think I made myself clear though, My issue was not with the consistency in 'Ten Commandments' but was with 'Ben Hur', Charlton Heston appears in both Part 1 and Part 2, right, however, each disc has it's own profile, so Charlton Heston has a profile for each of those discs, i.e. he has 2 profiles for one film.

Ten Commandments is fine however, there are two discs for the 1956 movie, part 1 and 2 respectively, however, he only has 1 profile for that movie as the disks do not have seperate profiles.

This is what I meant about consistency, I fully agree with what you said about online consistency, but to me, this inconsistency is surely not good?

Just my two pennies! 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantjonthomas83
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Well As to your Buffy/Angel question, both methods are correct currently. I prefer the children, or with the complete series you would be talking about Grandchildren and they may NOT have been set up yet.

Not too sure I understand?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
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A "child" and "grandchild" profile are the same thing but a recent feature of DVDP allows for children of a profile to contain children themselves and thus are referred to as a "grandchild".

We don't go farther than that simply because there's no limit to how deep your nesting can go.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormdnitoil
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Unfortunately, this becomes a little dependent on the region you are in.  For example, the region 1 version of the Ben Hur profile is a standard profile for the Charlton Heston version of the film complete with disk IDs.  There is an optional single child record to add the silent version separately, if people so choose.

Ben Hur is something of a special case in that the additional movie is a bonus feature and therefore the entire set is technically NOT a box set.  Many of us, however, like to separate the individual movies as best as Profiler can, so a special child was created in this particular case.  Generally speaking, the box sets, at least for features, do follow a consistent pattern.
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Unfortunately, this becomes a little dependent on the region you are in.  For example, the region 1 version of the Ben Hur profile is a standard profile for the Charlton Heston version of the film complete with disk IDs.  There is an optional single child record to add the silent version separately, if people so choose.

Ben Hur is something of a special case in that the additional movie is a bonus feature and therefore the entire set is technically NOT a box set.  Many of us, however, like to separate the individual movies as best as Profiler can, so a special child was created in this particular case.  Generally speaking, the box sets, at least for features, do follow a consistent pattern.


This is mentioned in the rules as well:
http://www.invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx?display=discextras

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Bonus Feature Films The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. These are not the same as Double Features or Anthology Collections which are a collection of films grouped together which require the "Box Set" contribution rules. Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes. Some examples of Bonus Feature Films are:
Previous movie versions, example "Ben-Hur: Four-Disc Collector's Edition" which includes the 1925 version.
Companion movie bonuses, example "Season of the Witch" which includes "There's Always Vanilla" from the same director.
Create the profile for the main feature in line with the standard Contribution Rules with the title of the Bonus Feature Film added to the Other Features field. Create a child profile for the "Bonus Feature Film" using the individual UPC if available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not available. When creating a child profile, do not remove the "Bonus Feature Film" Disc ID from the main profile. When profiling the "Bonus Feature Film", only profile the data associated with that film. Any features associated with the Main Feature belong to the Main Feature profile. Add the additional profile to the Main Profile as a child profile via the Box Set button. Cover Images: Use the cover image from the Main Feature profile's packaging. Exception: If the "Bonus Feature Film" is individually packaged, use the cover images from that packaging.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Jon:

You have me at a total loss. I just checked Online ben-Hur, there is not, repeat NOT, two Profiles established (one for Disc 1 and one for disc 2of the Four Disc set. There are several different listings due to various releases and various Regions, but not based on Disc. The "Parent" Profile for Ben-Hur contains the 1959 film (One Profile for the film plus the Bonus Disc) that accounts for THREE of the Discs and Ben-Hur 1925 is a child to the 1959 film since it is in the same case. It looks exactly as it is supposed to.

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Well As to your Buffy/Angel question, both methods are correct currently. I prefer the children, or with the complete series you would be talking about Grandchildren and they may NOT have been set up yet.

Not too sure I understand?

Daughter profiles are optional for TV box sets.
Some people like the original format where you just create one profile for the whole set with disc IDs for each disc included. Others like to have a daughter profile for each disc. So you see both types plus people will often upgrade an existing profile by adding daughter profiles or disc IDs so that both are available.
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Jon:

You have me at a total loss. I just checked Online ben-Hur, there is not, repeat NOT, two Profiles established (one for Disc 1 and one for disc 2of the Four Disc set. There are several different listings due to various releases and various Regions, but not based on Disc. The "Parent" Profile for Ben-Hur contains the 1959 film (One Profile for the film plus the Bonus Disc) that accounts for THREE of the Discs and Ben-Hur 1925 is a child to the 1959 film since it is in the same case. It looks exactly as it is supposed to.

Skip

Skip,

It looks like someone has done this for Ben Hur, EAN: 7321958675359, locality: Italy. There are child profiles by disk-id for Disc ID: A843-BFA7-80CF-3563 Italy and Disc ID: 46C9-7CF2-9AF2-7FEB Italy. I agree with you that this is not how it should have been done. It looks like all three profiles were added by the same user during our 'March-Madness' of 2007.

Jon may have looked at this profile and got confused! I know that it confused me.

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Hmmm somebody needs to fix that. Hello, Italy anyone listening?

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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantjonthomas83
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Ok!

So long story short, don't download child profiles for the Ben Hur set! lol.

There is however, a bit of a fuss with the Ten Commandments however. I tried submitting the disc ID's for the box set, 3Discs in total (1956 feature on 2 discs and 1923 on the other), some people said yes, some no, saying that they are in the child profiles. I've since withdrawn that contribution thinking that was the way forward, however, people are now declining a new contribution of mine where the cast and crew have been taken off the box set. I did this thinking that I didn't want the cast and crew cropping up twice for the same box set and it's children.

I'm in full agreement, this should be treated as one as the rules say, Ben Hur is an exception, IMO so then, should this set.

P.S. skip, you're right, it does look like it's supposed to, but when inserting the first three discs of the set, the profiles are Italian, as PDF said.

Trust me to pick the dodgy titles innit!

Part 2:

I think I've got the whole child/grandchild thing now! Thanks to those who PM'd to help me out! 

There does seem to be some inconsistency though, I agree, go as deep as DVDP will take you, but I think there should be a law against duplicate data! lol. E.g. if there are child profiles aailable, then we should really have to take the duplicated data out of the parent really. Again though, only my opinion!
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Hmmm somebody needs to fix that. Hello, Italy anyone listening?

Skip


Sorry, I just own the 1959 film. And it's Locality: UK. 
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