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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think the Writing field needs to be updated, as the current available options are too limited and way too open for interpretation. The Writing credits are, IMO, relatively important credits, and it would be nice to have some more options. My suggestions are as follows:
ROLE CREDITED AS
*Original characters by: Based on characters by; original characters by
*Original material by: Based on novel/book/play/film/poem/idea/short story/musical/previous screenplay by
*Screenwriter Screenwriter; screenplay by; teleplay by; written for the screen by
*Writer Writer; written by; original screenplay by; by ("by" only eligible when no other writing credit exists)
*Story by Story by
*Adaptation Adaptation by; adapted by; screen story by
*Created by Created by
*Dialogue by Dialogue by
I think this should pretty much cover it, and it would remove all room for interpretation. I think more available options for Writing credits is a better idea than trying to squeeze all the different credits into the 4 existing options. | | | | Last edited: by Behemot |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't see a point in most of these categories. A teleplay is the same thing as a screenplay, just for television. Someone who writes for the screen is a screenwriter. I think adding story and maybe characters/creator is all we need. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,774 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
I agree, thumbs up for you. Count me in, too! |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
I don't see a point in most of these categories. A teleplay is the same thing as a screenplay, just for television. Someone who writes for the screen is a screenwriter. I think adding story and maybe characters/creator is all we need. I've amended my notes for the Teleplay credit. I disagree with the other categories not being needed, though. If these credits could be added we would a) have a better Writing section and b) there would be no room for interpretation when contributing. | | | | Last edited: by Behemot |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Behemot: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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I don't see a point in most of these categories. A teleplay is the same thing as a screenplay, just for television. Someone who writes for the screen is a screenwriter. I think adding story and maybe characters/creator is all we need.
I've amended my notes for the Teleplay credit. I disagree with the other categories not been needed, though. If these credits could be added we would a) have a better Writing section and b) there would be no room for interpretation when contributing. And once again I agree. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,774 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Behemot: Quote:
If these credits could be added we would a) have a better Writing section and b) there would be no room for interpretation when contributing. I agree, it's easier and more correct. Both is good. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | and off course: thumbs up for you, Behemot Story by <> screen story by, these are totaly different. Quoting Behemot: Quote:
ROLE CREDITED AS
*Story by Story by; screen story by
a lot of work is already done by the WGA: Screen Credits Manual:4. Story The term "story" means all writing covered by the provisions of the Minimum Basic Agreement representing a contribution "distinct from screenplay and consisting of basic narrative, idea, theme or outline indicating character development and action." It is appropriate to award a "Story by" credit when: 1) the story was written under employment under Guild jurisdiction; 2) the story was purchased by a signatory company from a professional writer, as defined in the Minimum Basic Agreement; or 3) when the screenplay is based upon a sequel story written under the Guild's jurisdiction. If the story is based upon source material of a story nature, see "screen story" below. 5. Screen Story Credit for story authorship in the form "Screen Story by" is appropriate when the screenplay is based upon source material and a story, as those terms are defined above, and the story is substantially new or different from the source material. additional info: WGAE Screen Credits ManualWGAE Television Credits ManualWGA screenwriting credit system, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 413 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Behemot's suggestion. However, I think that some of the suggested credits can easily be combined:
When the movie has a "written by" credit it usually means that the person or persons are responsible for the whole writing process (story + screenplay). This also means that they wrote for the screen. Therefore I don't think that a separate "Written for the screen by" credit is necessary.
Teleplay is the same as screenplay.
I don't remember seeing "Original Screenplay by" credits very often. If it means that somebody wrote a new screenplay which is based on another screenplay, then it should be OMB credit. Otherwise I don't see any difference between "Original Screenplay by" and "Screenplay by".
If and when we have these new writing credits, I suggest that OMB credit is strictly used only when there is a work like novel, short story, poem etc which the movie is based on and which usually exists as a standalone work of art. Currently, translating "story by" credit as OMB does not fulfill this requirement. | | | | Last edited: by Jykke |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd like to see the "Writer" credit changed to "Written By" with the same credits allowed (Writer, Written By).
"Written By" is the much more common credit in films.
I would not advocate "Written for the screen by". This seems like it could confuse people between a "Screenwriter" credit and a "Written By" credit. It is also the same as "Original Screenplay". | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Behemot: Quote:
*Written for the screen by Written for the screen by
*Writer Writer; written by
Aren't these two the exact same things? I don't see the need to separate these Quoting Behemot: Quote:
*Original screenplay Original screenplay
*Screenwriter Screenwriter; screenplay by
*Teleplay Teleplay by (alternatively, this should be included in the Screenwriter role)
These are also the same in my opinion. Don't see any need to separate those either Quoting Behemot: Quote:
*Original material by: Based on novel/book/play/film/poem/idea/short story/previous screenplay by
*Story by Story by; screen story by
This can be a hard one as sometimes the credit is given as 'Based on a story by' when that story is actually a book/novel/short story. I'm not entirely against it, but this should be open to interpretation. If it's a screen story we should use story by if it's based on something previously published we should go with OMB. The credit itself should not decide which one it is. Quoting Behemot: Quote:
*Adaptation Adaptation by; adapted by
*Created by Created by
*Dialogue by Dialogue by
These three I can agree on | | | 
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't see the need for additional writing credits. The only exception might be a "Created by" credit, although one could argue that this should fall under the existing OMB or OCB credits.
Also keep in mind that international credits have to be translated and adjusted anyway, thus following the WGA outline too closely doesn't help much. | | | | Matthias |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Best Answer. Open Credits in Writing. List what you see, no more concern about defining this, that, something else.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jykke: Quote:
I agree with Behemot's suggestion. However, I think that some of the suggested credits can easily be combined:
When the movie has a "written by" credit it usually means that the person or persons are responsible for the whole writing process (story + screenplay). This also means that they wrote for the screen. Therefore I don't think that a separate "Written for the screen by" credit is necessary. Actually, "Written for the screen by" is more similar to "Screenwriter" than "Writer". It is most often used in the dual credit "Written for the screen and directed by" when the screenplay is based on some other original material (a novel, a previous screenplay, etc.), as opposed to the dual credit "Written and directed by" when there is an original screenplay (i.e. not based on any other original material). Two examples are Clive Barker's "Nightbreed", which has Barker credited as "Based on the novel Cabal by Clive Barker" and also "Written for the screen and directed by Clive Barker" AND Neil Labute's dreadful remake of "The Wicker Man", which has a "Based on a screenplay by Anthony Shaffer" credit (for the 1973 version) and a "Written for the screen and directed by Neil Labute" credit. As it is now, 50% would probably contribute this as Writer (since the credits say Written for the screen) and 50% would probably contribute this as Screenwriter (since the credits say Written for the screen). Quote:
Teleplay is the same as screenplay. Agreed. I have corrected my original post again to reflect this. Quote:
I don't remember seeing "Original Screenplay by" credits very often. If it means that somebody wrote a new screenplay which is based on another screenplay, then it should be OMB credit. Otherwise I don't see any difference between "Original Screenplay by" and "Screenplay by". I have seen "Original Screenplay by" many many times as the only Writing credit. It only means that the screenplay was NOT based on any original material, and was written directly for the screen. Again, as it is now, 50% would probably contribute this as Screenwriter (since the credits say Screenplay) and 50% would probably contribute this as Writer (as the rules table say to use Writer for Original Screenplays only). Quote:
If and when we have these new writing credits, I suggest that OMB credit is strictly used only when there is a work like novel, short story, poem etc which the movie is based on and which usually exists as a standalone work of art. Currently, translating "story by" credit as OMB does not fulfill this requirement. Agreed, but this would make it necessary to add a new Writing option called "Story by". |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
and off course: thumbs up for you, Behemot
Story by <> screen story by, these are totaly different.
Quoting Behemot:
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ROLE CREDITED AS
*Story by Story by; screen story by
a lot of work is already done by the WGA: Screen Credits Manual:
4. Story
The term "story" means all writing covered by the provisions of the Minimum Basic Agreement representing a contribution "distinct from screenplay and consisting of basic narrative, idea, theme or outline indicating character development and action."
It is appropriate to award a "Story by" credit when: 1) the story was written under employment under Guild jurisdiction; 2) the story was purchased by a signatory company from a professional writer, as defined in the Minimum Basic Agreement; or 3) when the screenplay is based upon a sequel story written under the Guild's jurisdiction. If the story is based upon source material of a story nature, see "screen story" below.
5. Screen Story
Credit for story authorship in the form "Screen Story by" is appropriate when the screenplay is based upon source material and a story, as those terms are defined above, and the story is substantially new or different from the source material.
additional info:
WGAE Screen Credits Manual
WGAE Television Credits Manual
WGA screenwriting credit system, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It would seem that a Screen Story is very similar to some credits which say Adaptation by - e.g. there is a novel which someone then adapts for the screen/makes a screen story for, which then again someone else fashions a screenplay out of. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
Quoting Behemot:
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*Original material by: Based on novel/book/play/film/poem/idea/short story/previous screenplay by
*Story by Story by; screen story by
This can be a hard one as sometimes the credit is given as 'Based on a story by' when that story is actually a book/novel/short story. I'm not entirely against it, but this should be open to interpretation. If it's a screen story we should use story by if it's based on something previously published we should go with OMB. The credit itself should not decide which one it is. I already thought of this: Based on a story by (meaning a short story etc.)-> Original material by Story by -> Story by |
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