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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantPhe0nix
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Question 1 :

When i add a box set to my collection DVD Profilier assigns a number to it. Then i add the titles in the box set ie:

An officer and a gentleman  ( number assigned to title )
Runaway Bride                  ( Number assigned to title )
Primal Fear                        ( Number assigned to title )

Now i see i have added 3 different titles to my collection yet my DVD totals go up 4 and i've only
added 3 titles. I've tried removing the number when adding the box set and then adding titles included
in the box set but it still get 1 more DVD added to my collection than i really have. Is there a way around this?

Question 2:

I've seen the term Parent and children used alot and i'm fairly sure what it means but just to clairify.
My box set contains 3 different titles, this is the Parent and the 3 titles in the box set are the children ?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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Question 1 :

When i add a box set to my collection DVD Profilier assigns a number to it. Then i add the titles in the box set ie:

An officer and a gentleman  ( number assigned to title )
Runaway Bride                  ( Number assigned to title )
Primal Fear                        ( Number assigned to title )

Now i see i have added 3 different titles to my collection yet my DVD totals go up 4 and i've only
added 3 titles. I've tried removing the number when adding the box set and then adding titles included
in the box set but it still get 1 more DVD added to my collection than i really have. Is there a way around this?

The "Total DVDs" figure that you see in the program is actually the number of profiles you have. There's a profile for the box and a profile for each of the 3 DVDs in the box. What you can do is set the box to not have a number. That way, your largest numbered item gives you the number of DVDs you have, if you choose to count that way. For instance, I have 3,096 profiles in my Owned collection, but my largest collection number is 2,847; therefore, I consider my collection to consist of 2,847 titles which utilize 3,096 profiles.

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Question 2:

I've seen the term Parent and children used alot and i'm fairly sure what it means but just to clairify.
My box set contains 3 different titles, this is the Parent and the 3 titles in the box set are the children ?

Parent refers to the box. Children refers to the individual titles within the box.
...James

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Exactly what m.cellophane says, but adding that to stop the boxset/parent profile having a collection number:

Right click on the title -> Personalise

on the screen in the Top Left section tick the checkbox next to the Collection Number labelled 'None'

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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantPhe0nix
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When i said " I've tried removing the number when adding the box set " that is what I was trying to say. I put a tick in check box " NONE " to the right of where the collection number would go. When i did that i still saw my total dvds go up 1 more than what it should have.

The nightmare on Elm Street is 1490 my higest numbered profile and i added one double feature dvd and even tried to assign each title a same collection number and removing the collection number for the parent and my Total DVDs still went from 1490 to 1493


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Didn't expect any responses at this hour. Thanks for all the help everyone i'm sure i get it worked
out. It's 4:45 AM here i'll try tommorow
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What m.cellophane has said is correct:

The "Total DVDs" number doesn't count DVDs at all, it is the number of profiles you have. It is totally independent from the collection number.

Maybe Ken should rename it in the next version.
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The term Total DVDs that the program uses is actually a misnomer, it should read Total Profiles, that is what is being counted.

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What m.cellophane has said is correct:

The "Total DVDs" number doesn't count DVDs at all, it is the number of profiles you have. It is totally independent from the collection number.

Maybe Ken should rename it in the next version.


I agree totally that "Total DVDs" and the collection numbers are independent from each other. I removed the parent and children and readded them and didn't assign any collection number to the parent and let the program assign collection numbers to the children. My "Total DVDs" & "Owned" both went up 3 per the 3 profiles i added. Then i went back and reassigned the collection number
for the children so they would both use the same collection number and this too had no effect on
"Total DVDs" & "Owned" totals.  So you can do anything you want to the collection numbers and
it will have no effect on the "Total DVDs" or "Owned" totals. This is what i was asking about at the
start of this post.

m.cellophane :

Your "Total DVDs" is going higher than you collection numbers because you don't assign
any collection numbers to your parent profiles , but by not assigning a collection number to your parent doesn't reduce your "Total DVDs"  ( Total Profiles ) by one. Try adding a bogus box set and you will see what you have assumed is not correct.
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m.cellophane :

Your "Total DVDs" is going higher than you collection numbers because you don't assign
any collection numbers to your parent profiles

Correct.

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but by not assigning a collection number to your parent doesn't reduce your "Total DVDs"  ( Total Profiles ) by one.

Correct. Every profile, numbered or unnumbered, are all included in the figure for "Total DVDs". As a few of us have mentioned, the "Total DVDs" figure is really a count of the number of profiles you have. Since a parent profile is a profile, it's included in the count. If you don't number it, it still doesn't lower your "Total DVDs" figure, although your collection numbers will decrease.

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Try adding a bogus box set and you will see what you have assumed is not correct.

I understand. I think it's just that we might not be understanding each other.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantPhe0nix
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I think it's just that we might not be understanding each other.


I think your right. I've spent more time using DP than trying to get in indepth understanding of it. Until recently i have had alot of free time and put up some shelves in a spare bedroom so all my DVDs would
be in one place. I've always entered my box sets as one title and always wondered how many different DVD titles i actually had. My "Total DVDs" has always matched my Collection numbers for this reason. Now i have them were i can get to them all easier and quicker i was going to go back through my collection and add the box sets correctly so i would have a acurate total but as you pointed out that total can never be accurate as it's a total profiles and not DVDs and should be changed. The only way i can know how many different titles i have would be to renter my box sets , assign them all the same collection number and then subtract my "Total Profiles"  by the number of box sets i have. I appriciate all your help.

This is why collection numbers are so important to me.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantAgrare
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one thing you can do to get an accurate count is use the tags.

a basic example is to set up a tag called box set. then set this tag on every profile that is a a parent in the box. now you can go to the tag page of filters and uncheck the box set tag. this will show only profiles that don't have this tag. the filtered # to the right of total dvds will now show your actual total because this number would exclude all the profiles not showing.

you can set up a tag and do the reverse for TV box sets to have them show as a single profile as apposed to one per disc.

The tags I use for this are a bit more complex, I have Box Set, TV Box, and then one for the box sets that are multiple movies per disc. These each have child tags that tells me if that particular profile is a box, a movie, or a bonus disc. This way i can filter and get counts in various ways.

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Iam going to have to tinker with that idea, Agrare, hmmmm. I haven't had much time for this kind of thing for a few years, what with non stop editing and all.

The way I have ben doing it, Pheonix, thus far, is that Boxset of Movies, the parent profile does NOT get a collection, the films within the set do, for TV I do it exactly the opposite, for counting purposes I don't consider the individual discs of Episodes to be films. It all dependds on what you are trying to achieve as toi what your approach might be, there are aat least a couple of different possibilities, probably more.

Just remember that Total DVDs actually is Total Profiles and go from there.

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Here are my tages relating to box sets



I can post examples of some profiles and how i tag them. but basically, any movie box set (Indiana Jones Collection for example) is tagged as a 'Movie Box Set' and the actual parent profile gets a Box tag. the 3 movies get the Movie tag and a disc of all bonus material gets a Bonus tag...i don't use the Disc tag and not exactly sure why I have that but must of had a reason when i set it up.

Tv series basically do the same thing as movies, the Episodes tag is essentially the same as the Movie tag. its for the child profiles...the disc is essentially the same thing. i do use it but the difference is hard to explain, it mainly stems from me not deciding if i want disc level profiles or not and keeping those seperate if i do. TV series have seperate tags from movies though so i can count a series or season as 1 and a 3 movie set as 3.

I then have the multi movie disc for those double/triple/quadruple features. this is basically because depending on my reason for counting i either count these as 1 for all the movies or as 2/3/4 (one for each movie).

I then have a saved filter set that will filter it down to each tv show as 1 and movie box sets as number of movies. and then i change the multi movie disc to how i want at that time. Also buy using the child tags, i can filter out all my tv box sets or all my movie box sets or even any box set. I probably need to figure out if i need or why i put a disc child under movie box set. and then maybe also tweak the tv tags to handle disc level/episode level profiles if i decide to go that route...but it works for me

as far as collection numbers, I have them numbered in shelf order (order i bought them, sequels get grouped with the first at the spot it was bought). I have set ranges that i use to also split out/order movies/tv/anime. Titles that are my girlfriends don't have a collection number (all movies are also tagged by owner). box sets and children currently share the same collection number

-Agrare
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Thanks for all that info Agare i do have tags set up,  but i did't know you could do the grouping you have done with your tags. All i have is one for TV series and another for Box sets but removed the ones for Double features as they too are box sets from what i've learned recently.

skipnet50:

I have done the exact same with my numbering as you can see in a post above my me that
has a link " take a look " for my Total Profile totals. I didn't want to assign a number to the
box set profiles either. Seems as though Ken could simply rename the Total for what they
really are as many have stated and then add an option to omit a profile from the "Total Profiles"
and you wouldn't need tags to tell what you actuall DVD total was you could see it without tags
and have the means to contoll the values to keep them accurate.
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That's up to, Ken. He knows about it, whether or when he might do anything about it is up to him, all we can do is wait.

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Here are my tages relating to box sets



I do it similarly:

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That's up to, Ken. He knows about it, whether or when he might do anything about it is up to him, all we can do is wait.

I understand Plug-ins are software modules that add to the functionality of an application. Just wondering if a Plug-in could handle adding an option to omit a profile from the Totals. I don't really care about the "Total DVDs" description now that i understand what it actually is.
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