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The continued nightmare we call parsing: Judy Ruskin Howell
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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I would like to reach a consensus on how to parse costume designer "Judy Ruskin Howell". Note that she is in the database under many other name variants as well (CLT shows 1 title for Judy Ruskin-Howell, 7 titles for Judy Ruskin and 4 titles for Judy L. Ruskin), but "Judy Ruskin Howell" is the common name (13 titles in the CLT). Now: how to parse that? I'm asking because I've got several profiles with her in it, of which the online profiles are divided on the parsing, creating problems when I want to submit (entirely different) corrections/additions to those profiles.

From the CLT: currently 16 profiles have her parsed as Judy//Ruskin Howell and 23 profiles have her parsed as Judy/Ruskin/Howell.

Some links - though none of them do much to establish parsing:

- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0750827/
- http://www.filmreference.com/film/81/Judy-L-Ruskin.html
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000941015837
- http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/individual/639457

Thoughts? Any chance on settling this?

For the record: let me add that I have no opinion on the matter - I'm happy to go either way, as long as we pick one.
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Isn't it easier to simply go with the CLT results of Judy/Ruskin/Howell.

After all, if we're not searching for 'real' name, but just the most credited via the CLT shouldn't we go with that?

I'm not being difficult...but this doesn't seem to the an issue like the multiple Mark Taylor's in the other thread in this forum or the many variations of Richard Taylor.

Maybe I'm missing something - but simply going with the CLT result on this one gives you the answer, no?
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Thoughts? Any chance on settling this?


In normal world, the answer is evident. I think in Invelos world, the answer will be the wrong solution.
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If the Ruskin-Howell credit is legit, then I think there is certainly a case for 1//23.
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Isn't it easier to simply go with the CLT results of Judy/Ruskin/Howell.

After all, if we're not searching for 'real' name, but just the most credited via the CLT shouldn't we go with that?

Maybe I'm missing something - but simply going with the CLT result on this one gives you the answer, no?

One difference is that we can't use Credited As to (gradually) repair the situation by replacing wrong credits, and ultimately tip the balance. Some people (not me) may even argue that's a good thing.
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I really hate these parsing issues...

Ken... we really need a checkbox to ignore parsing differences like we have for uncredited!  More times then not... I won't bother to contribute cast/crew because of this. Much simpler then trying to find the correct parsing or changing it to match online and then changing it back to my preference/belief.

sorry about that Tim... good luck!
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If the Ruskin-Howell credit is legit, then I think there is certainly a case for 1//23.

That's my thinking also. Can anyone confirm the credit in Patch Adams, puuweeease?
 
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Can anyone confirm the credit in Patch Adams, puuweeease?

I can - it's exactly as I said in my original post (thus: Judy Ruskin-Howell).
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More times then not... I won't bother to contribute cast/crew because of this. Much simpler then trying to find the correct parsing or changing it to match online and then changing it back to my preference/belief.

That is, indeed, exactly why I started this thread: I wanted to make some crew additions/corrections to a profile, but found that the online profile has a different parsing for this costume designer than I've got in my local database. So either I include the changed parsing as part of my contribution, or I'm forced to change the parsing, then contribute, and then change it back. I'm faced with this ridiculous nightmare pretty much every single day, but I thought I'd try and actually solve one of these cases. Surely everyone "not bothering to contribute cast/crew because of this" can't be a good thing... 
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Ken mentioned putting a check box for it at one point. I really wish he would.
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Ken mentioned putting a check box for it at one point. I really wish he would.

Same here. Of course, a single name field would still do wonders, too. 
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So either I include the changed parsing as part of my contribution, or I'm forced to change the parsing, then contribute, and then change it back.


Funny, I have the same problem with accents. In the past I could contribute cast, now that the online has been butchered by people using Ken's "clarification", contribution is a nightmare... and parsing problems are less than 1% of accents problems...
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With a legit confirmed credit for Ruskin-Howell, I see no reason that the parsing shouldn't be 1 / 2 3
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With a legit confirmed credit for Ruskin-Howell, I see no reason that the parsing shouldn't be 1 / 2 3

Is that all it takes? But in one of the previous parsing threads, there also was one hyphenated "Carole Bayer-Sager" credit out there - yet we elected to parse that as C/B/C... Let me stress that I'm not trying to argue, but that I'm trying to find a pattern I can use for future, similar cases...  If one hyphenated credit swings the deal here, then why didn't it for Carole Bayer Sager?

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Funny, I have the same problem with accents. In the past I could contribute cast, now that the online has been butchered by people using Ken's "clarification", contribution is a nightmare...

There's a big difference here: your local cast data isn't compliant with the rules, and from that starting point, you complain about difficulties with the contribution process. My data, however, is compliant with the rules, and I still have to go through this ridiculous "change entry to match online database / then contribute / then change it back" ordeal.

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and parsing problems are less than 1% of accents problems...

Actually, it's quite the opposite. Better yet: not once, ever, did I have a problem with accents - must be thanks to that perfectly simple, universal and foolproof rule on how we deal with them. If you do, it must be because you're not following the rules.
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Ken mentioned putting a check box for it at one point. I really wish he would.

Same here. Of course, a single name field would still do wonders, too. 


Agreed... but unfortunately Ken don't want that. 
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Quoting Danae Cassandra:
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With a legit confirmed credit for Ruskin-Howell, I see no reason that the parsing shouldn't be 1 / 2 3

Is that all it takes? But in one of the previous parsing threads, there also was one hyphenated "Carole Bayer-Sager" credit out there - yet we elected to parse that as C/B/C... Let me stress that I'm not trying to argue, but that I'm trying to find a pattern I can use for future, similar cases...  If one hyphenated credit swings the deal here, then why didn't it for Carole Bayer Sager?


While it wouldn't matter to me one way or the other (now that parsing don't matter locally anymore) I can see how one credited name like this could be argued as not enough proof since we have all seen errors in the credits more then once.
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