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Remove Cover Scans For Disc Level Profiles of TV season sets??
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorJuoquim
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User Rl3058 is currently attempting to remove the cover scans from all disc level profiles for the TV series Airwolf with the following justification:

"Removed cover images because they are from the DVD box and not the DVD disc case."

For those who don't have Airwolf, the season sets are packaged in single or 2-disc keep cases with a cardboard slipcase like the Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, Jack of All Trades, Greatest American Hero, Firefly, and Sci-Fi's Battlestar Galactica Season sets.  The disc level profiles currently have the outer cardboard slipcover scans front and rear.

The front of the slipcases are nearly identical to the front of the cardboard boxset.  The only difference is "Season Two * Disc Five" instead of "Season Two".  The rear cover lists the episodes contained on the disc.

Is it just me, or is this absolutely wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG, or did I miss a rules change, or misunderstand a current rule???  Instead of just removing the scans, should we not replace them with correct back cover scans???
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From rules:

"Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets. Use individual UPCs if they are available or use Disc ID (read on a DVD-ROM) if not. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. If a film is individually packaged, use the cover images from that packaging."
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I would rather see an image of the front/rear cover than then 'NO IMAGE' available whilst scrolling through my collection.
Even when they child profile's are for sets like the Star Trek: TNG and Star Trek: DS9 original releases.

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While the current cover scans are not according to the rules, disrupting the profile is not improving it. So the contribution removing data is irrelevant and can be voted down IMO.

He either should replace the current scans with the correct ones, or stay away from these profiles.
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While the current cover scans are not according to the rules, disrupting the profile is not improving it. So the contribution removing data is irrelevant and can be voted down IMO.

A "No" vote is not even a matter of personal opinion but totally backed up by the rules: "Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database."
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While the current cover scans are not according to the rules, disrupting the profile is not improving it. So the contribution removing data is irrelevant and can be voted down IMO.

A "No" vote is not even a matter of personal opinion but totally backed up by the rules: "Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database."


I suppose (playing Devil's Advocate) you could argue that he is adding value by making it obvious the present scans are wrong so someone is more likely to submit the correct ones.

... and of course, he is pointing out that the initial contribution is against the Rules and should never have been accepted into the database in the first place.
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Wasn't there something about being allowed to use a repeat of the front cover if the back cover wasn't available? Or is that only for pre-releases?
While I agree (in theory, I don't have this boxset) that the current scans sound wrong, I still don't think it's a good idea to remove them. I'd much rather see them replaced with the right scans.
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Just to be fair... what would people think if this was about a cover scan in the database where the UPC didn't match the one in the profile? I've heard many say in the past that it should be removed as "bad data" even if a new scan is not available (yet) ... this seems to be the same situation at heart but a different preference showing...
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Just to be fair... what would people think if this was about a cover scan in the database where the UPC didn't match the one in the profile? I've heard many say in the past that it should be removed as "bad data" even if a new scan is not available (yet) ... this seems to be the same situation at heart but a different preference showing...


The cover art MUST match for the UPC being profiled.  Obviously, for pre-release items, you use whatever the studios provide and then submit the correct artwork when it is released.
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Just to be fair... what would people think if this was about a cover scan in the database where the UPC didn't match the one in the profile? I've heard many say in the past that it should be removed as "bad data" even if a new scan is not available (yet) ... this seems to be the same situation at heart but a different preference showing...

I would not remove a cover without replacement featuring the wrong UPC but matching otherwise. Best would be to upload the correct cover in good quality but a temporary solution could be to replace the UPC with a white rectangle by image processing.
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User Rl3058 is currently attempting to remove the cover scans from all disc level profiles for the TV series Airwolf with the following justification:

"Removed cover images because they are from the DVD box and not the DVD disc case."

For those who don't have Airwolf, the season sets are packaged in single or 2-disc keep cases with a cardboard slipcase like the Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, Jack of All Trades, Greatest American Hero, Firefly, and Sci-Fi's Battlestar Galactica Season sets.  The disc level profiles currently have the outer cardboard slipcover scans front and rear.

The front of the slipcases are nearly identical to the front of the cardboard boxset.  The only difference is "Season Two * Disc Five" instead of "Season Two".  The rear cover lists the episodes contained on the disc.

Is it just me, or is this absolutely wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG, or did I miss a rules change, or misunderstand a current rule???  Instead of just removing the scans, should we not replace them with correct back cover scans???


Technically, he's correct.  If the inner keep cases (or whatever) have their own art, that must be used. You only use the outer box art if there is NO art on the disc container.  Of course, that said, he should be adding the correct cover scans in place of the wrong ones, but he's still not wrong.
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BTW How do you technically remove a cover from the online database without replacement?
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I'm guessing you remove the scans from your local copy, then contribute and tick the "include covers" box.
This would replace the old cover with a blank.
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I'm guessing you remove the scans from your local copy, then contribute and tick the "include covers" box.
This would replace the old cover with a blank.


I tried this on something recently and it doesn't work... you can't tick "include covers" if you don't have covers locally.
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Of course, that said, he should be adding the correct cover scans in place of the wrong ones, but he's still not wrong.


I fully agree, Rifter... but if he doesn't have a scanner and has spotted the error I suppose this is all he can do for now.
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I'm guessing you remove the scans from your local copy, then contribute and tick the "include covers" box.
This would replace the old cover with a blank.

I tried this on something recently and it doesn't work... you can't tick "include covers" if you don't have covers locally.

That's why I have asked.
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